Murdering infants to obtain fetal tissue for vaccine research

An interview with AnnaMaria Cardinalli

by Jon Rappoport

November 4, 2021

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For my recent series of articles on the murder of infants to obtain fetal tissue for vaccine testing and research, I gained key information from investigative reporter AnnaMaria Cardinalli’s article, “Catholic Conscience and the COVID-19 Vaccine,” in Crisis magazine.

AnnaMaria agreed to do an interview on this and related subjects. The interview speaks for itself—and it should provide people a VERY fundamental reason for rejecting the COVID vaccine.

Q: It seems you’ve lived at least several lives side by side. You’ve earned a lofty worldwide reputation as an operatic contralto and classical guitarist; you’re a licensed private investigator; you carried out extensive research for the US military in Afghanistan; you own a private security firm; you donate all your earnings to a Catholic order which wants to start an orphanage for exploited children. And I’m not covering all the bases. It’s rather mind-blowing. Before we dive into the subject at hand, can you speak to this variety and achievement?

A: Ha! Your question is very flattering and I’m hardly at issue here, but I’ll be happy to answer. The variety of work I’ve been involved in is so wildly unlikely that I could have never sat down and come up with it as a plan! The one factor underlying all it is my incredible fortune to have been raised soundly in the Catholic Faith by my mom, so despite my own many failings, I knew enough to put my life completely at the disposal of God’s will from an early age. I find utterly astounding the adventures on which He’ll lead a soul when He’s given that freedom. Making music was always my personal hope, but the rest came as a natural consequence of responding to circumstances around me with whatever capacities I had the ability to respond. That’s the very definition of responsibility (“response ability”), and a real means by which God guides our lives, don’t you think?

Q: In your wide range of experiences, did medical issues ever pop up on your radar?

A: Medical issues arose in two ways. On one hand, when I worked for the FBI and was embedded with the Joint Special Operations Command In Iraq, I received truly fantastic, cutting-edge training in a collateral duty as a Tactical Operational Medic. Later, in Afghanistan, I participated in medical missions to help assess rural tribal community needs—particularly the medical needs of women and children. Through these military experiences, I found a passion for emergency medicine. I recently re-certified as an EMT to better assist my community’s current medical mission to the homeless (, and I continue to pursue more advanced certifications.

On the other hand, I do not approach the issue of the cell line origins as a practitioner or any sort of medical expert, but as an investigative journalist, simply seeking out the facts and holding them to the light of common logic. My thinking is that the factors necessary to understand the nature of what we put into our bodies must be, at least on a basic level, accessible and comprehensible to the general population, and one need not be a medical expert to grasp them. Otherwise, how could most of us make an informed decision? We can’t allow clear, critical truths to be obfuscated by the statement, “You’re not an expert. You wouldn’t understand.”

Q: How did you become interested in the very specific origin of the fetal cell line, HEK 293? What made you think it might be important?

A: I was led to interest in HEK 293 via a long path. My experience in Afghanistan imparted to me a particular investigative focus on Human Trafficking. I’ve written and worked extensively on the issue, and the more I learn, the more I am overwhelmed by its prevalence, both internationally and on our own soil. In recent years, while the China Tribunal brought the harvesting and sale of organs belonging to unwanted citizens into clear focus overseas, the Planned Parenthood expose by David Daleiden [more on that expose — covered by investigative journalist Celia Farber, here and here] and others brought the same practice to light in the US. Both these developments solidified the trafficking issue in my mind not only as one of forced labor or sexual exploitation but of the complete commoditization of the human person—the viewing of the human being as a mere collection of occasionally useful parts, lacking any other value. This should frighten every person, regardless of their faith background or lack of one, because history shows us over and over again that it’s when we fail to recognize our common humanity that atrocities prevail.

With regard to HEK 293 specifically, for Catholics like myself, it is a grave moral responsibility to examine whether any action one takes participates in, perpetuates, or encourages such evil. We are bound to inform our own individual consciences and act in accordance with them. So, when the COVID vaccine became available, I sought to find out all I could about the nature of its origins and was led right back into the human trafficking concerns that plague me. It was in this research that I came across the work of the biologist and vaccine developer Pamela Acker [author of “Vaccination: A Catholic Perspective”; more here]. Her public acknowledgement of the necessary procedure for ensuring the viability of Human Embryonic Kidney (HEK) cells coincided with what medical professionals had shared with me privately.

For me, this was enough to raise concern that warranted further investigation before taking the vaccine. Sadly, the more the matter is investigated, as it was by the courageous, thorough, and insightful author of the Gateway Pundit article, the more evidence arises supporting my worst fear—that a perfectly innocent living child, a healthy little girl, born alive and outside the womb, was killed for and by the harvest of her organs, and that this is a practice that may underlie great parts of the research industry. Believe me, I am longing to find firm and indisputable confirmatory evidence that this nightmare scenario is NOT the case. However, your in-depth coverage of the subject following the Crisis and Gateway Pundit articles seems to continually contribute direct, expert-based medical evidence of the horrifying truth. Saddening as it is, I truly appreciate what you are accomplishing.

Q: The HEK (Human Embryo Kidney) 293 fetal cell line has been used to test COVID vaccines. That makes its origin vividly important now. How did you become convinced that the evidence pointed to the removal of an alive infant from her mother’s womb, and then the killing of that infant, in 1972, in the Netherlands, in order to harvest her kidneys—which would be used to create the HEK 293 cell line?

A: I reiterate that I had to be convinced by simple logic that anyone, not medical researchers exclusively, could follow. In fact, the more specialized the language describing a medical moral issue becomes, the more it can be used to obscure the facts. I would almost laugh, if not for the gravity of the issue, at hyper-euphemistic descriptions one finds in the medical literature. It discusses, for instance, situations like the finding of electrical impulses in the cardiac tissue of the POC.

First of all, “POC?” Product of conception? What a way to talk around an issue! I’m a proud product of conception and have never met anyone who wasn’t! Electrical impulses in the cardiac tissue? With fewer keystrokes, that could be called “a heartbeat.” So, I’m a POC with intact electrical impulses in my cardiac tissue or, if anyone were looking to save on ink, “alive.” Please, though, forgive my digression.

I worked to write very carefully in the Crisis article the simple facts that concerned me about the origins of the HEK 293 cell line. Rather than try to summarize that argument in this interview and thus potentially miss a critical component—may I please direct interested readers to the article at the link below?

Catholic Conscience and the COVID-19 Vaccine

I became further convinced of the reality following the publication of the Gateway Pundit exclusive which offered some insightful analysis taking into account the recent Pfizer whistleblower revelations. I’d also like to direct anyone interested to that great article with a link below.

Exclusive: Pfizer’s Nervousness About Its COVID Vaccine’s Origins Conceals a Horror Story

It’s not that I don’t want to answer the question, it’s that I want it to be answered as accurately as possible.

Q: When I read conventional medical literature that describes research on aborted fetuses, I see no mention of taking the infant from the mother’s womb, alive, and then killing him/her. Is this a research “open secret” that is held back from the public and even many doctors? I read a 1975 federal report on medical research using fetuses. It went on for a hundred pages, and there wasn’t one reference to killing infants in the process of removing their organs.

A: I think the first issue here is the extremely removed language typical of the descriptions of these procedures that I reference above, along with its tendency to state actions separate from their obvious consequences. It’s a linguistic tendency that may well reflect the thinking and training of researchers and abortionists. In Dr. Kathi A. Aultman’s testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing on March 15th 2016, which you excerpted in your incredibly revealing post of October 27th [see here; more here], the doctor describes her initial fascination with the cellular perfection of the little bodies she dissected, and explains that it was only years later that was she able to overcome her scientific dissociation to make the intellectual connection that the tiny perfect bodies were those of people whose lives she had ended.

I worry our society has removed death so far from life that we don’t even recognize it, and that is a scary thing. Our grandparents die in facilities away from home rather than with their hands held in ours. Our food arrives packaged and devoid of any reminders of the animals from which it came. Fido moves to a faraway farm, while we play immersive games where graphically taken lives merely “reset.” Therefore, unlike any generation prior to ours, most of us can go through life without regularly witnessing the reality of death, which makes for a very unnatural understanding of it—one far from the Catholic motto of memento mori. It’s an understanding that might even allow a scientist to admire a human body on which she performed a procedure that ended the function of its “cellularly perfect” organs without grasping that she was its killer.

I suspect this kind of thinking in turn produces academic writing in which it is almost impossible to see anything untoward. Perhaps most authors themselves can’t see it, aside from the presumably rarer instances of dedicatedly evil individuals who do see things clearly and actively choose to obfuscate the reality. Either way, this is why the literature will never say, as you had difficulty finding, “in the next step, kill the newborn,” even if it is the obvious consequence of the procedure described.

If the doctors involved were capable of that kind of cause-and-effect thinking, perhaps they would have to first write, “in the next step, first anesthetize, then kill the newborn.” If some of those doctors believed themselves Christians, they would have to write “in the next step, first baptize, then anesthetize, and then kill the newborn.” Even if they believed themselves merely in possession of basic mammalian instincts, they would at least have to write “in the next step, first cuddle and comfort the crying newborn, then anesthetize and kill him.” Of course, they can’t go there without recognizing the child’s humanity, so instead, the scientific dissociation of cause-and-effect remains in place.

This critical thought barrier is evidenced particularly in the literature when we see organs harvested from living children outside the womb referred to as fresh “fetal” or even “embryonic” tissue. The biomedical research companies requisitioning the tissue make the same linguistic error and it goes constantly uncorrected. No. The medical term for a delivered fetus in its first moments and days of life outside the womb is a neonate. A newborn. Most of these people went to medical school and know the difference, but they persist in the error.

Perhaps if we could only require them to accurately use the language of “fresh neonatal tissue” in their requisitions and reports, some would be unable to proceed. Requesting a “heart of newborn” for the development of whatever a researcher might be concocting in the lab might finally sound to the ears of many too much like procuring the ingredients of a witch’s brew belonging to horror fiction. It certainly makes “eye of newt” sound resoundingly tame.

Other than the issue of logic and language, however, I don’t think the practice of infanticide by vivisection is particularly secret among those working closely in the arena of biomedical research, and it’s certainly known among the abortionists who supply the needs of the industry, although I agree with you that it’s not something that doctors whose scope never intersects the arena are aware of any more than most of us are. It’s simply not brought to our attention in the media. We focus where the media points us, and there appears some decided silence on the issue.

A breakthrough in public awareness of the direct killing of living unwanted newborns for the sake of biomedical research, which, almost incomprehensibly, generated far less media attention and public outcry than it should have, occurred with the David Daleiden hearings. There many doctors and scientific procurement company representatives spoke openly of the practice, though often in the detached terms that would require careful listening. For instance, the CEO of Stem Express admitted dryly that “fetal hearts were perfused using a Langendorff apparatus.”

A Langendorff apparatus serves to preserve the functional viability of hearts ex-vivo (which means, literally, outside of a living body). That is, to specify the use of the Langendorff apparatus is to know that a heart requiring this preservation was, in fact, taken from a living body. To state the painfully obvious cause-and-effect reasoning generally left out here, the removal of a functioning vital organ from a living person (without the replacement of its function) is the direct killing of that person. No example is clearer than that of a beating heart. Ask an Aztec.

Dr. Theresa Deisher, a Stanford University School of Medicine researcher heavily involved with the use of adult stem cells, describes exactly how that killing must take place in order for the Langendorff perfusion to function. Both in her September 19th, 2019 testimony at the Daleiden trial and in a same-day interview with Lifesite News, she explained that the individuals performing the vivisection would necessarily “cut open the baby’s chest and they would take the heart out beating and drop it in a buffer with potassium. She went on to state with rare clarity, “of course, if the heart isn’t beating, they can’t get any of these cells. Nobody wants a stopped heart.” [more, here]

At another point in her testimony she explained again that, “some of the babies had to have beating hearts when they were harvested.” Logic alone dictates this fact, as she explained “once the heart goes into contraction, you can’t get it to come out of that position.” It “has to be beating and be arrested in a relaxed position” to be of use for research purposes.

Again, just with the use of basic reason, it goes without saying that not only are breathing hearts being removed, but that these procedures occur on living children outside the womb, not within it. The people doing the dissection are not opening the chest of the child in the sort of incredibly rare and highly specialized in utero surgery that might be done to repair a fetal heart condition. The cost and specialization would be astronomical and nonsensical, as they intend to destroy the child, not save it.

So, just by using the single example of hearts on the Langendorff apparatus, which is to say nothing of the “embryonic” kidney cells, (which may more accurately be called “neonatal” kidney cells) used in the COVID vaccine testing and development, I think I can answer your question by saying there is no “open secret” regarding infanticide for medical research. There is no secret at all. I am not revealing anything that is not already obvious, even to a non-expert, given to looking at the simple facts.

The shocking thing, at this point, is not that this is happening, but that we have yet to react, as a whole, in opposition to it. In fact, we accept it by welcoming into our lives the “benefits” of the tortuous murders of innocent children. If we are doing this unknowingly, then perhaps it is because we have bought into the suspension of cause-and-effect reasoning like that to which the researchers subscribe.

Your question leads me, however, to one more point, which I hope provides a wake-up point if nothing else has. Even more shocking than our acceptance of this evil is the fact that it is entirely unnecessary. We could have the same or perhaps greater benefits by other means, but we don’t pursue the course of action that has proven successful in halting unethical bioresearch before and redirecting the course of the industry.

Why don’t we do for our own species what we have succeeded in doing for animals? Most people recognize that animal advocacy and speaking with our wallets through the boycotting of unethically-produced products is genuinely critical because lab animals are innocent creatures who cannot speak for themselves. Isn’t that true of human “lab babies” too?

Also in the expert testimony cited above, Dr. Deisher made the point that using human fetal tissue for research has become more prevalent because increasing regulations on the welfare of animals have made the use of humans more convenient. More convenient! In a way, while horrifying, this is also wonderful news, because it means that animal activists successfully changed things, albeit with a terrible unexpected outcome. However, it means that we can do the same for our species too!

Does that mean that the kind of beneficial research advances which have previously come from the study of neonatal tissue need to stop? Do we have to decide on a sacrificial trade off, with improvement in the lives of those with debilitating illnesses on one hand and the murder of human babies with less compassion than lab rats on the other? Is that how science must proceed—in sanitized facilities behind closed doors that, just in case we become personally in need of its “benefits,” we prefer not to give much thought?

Here’s another shocker. Not at all. Adult pluripotent stem cells, obtained with adult consent and with no need for tortuous murders, actually negate the necessity of the use of fetal organs for stem cell research, because they can be cultured into any type of body cell. This technology exists now, but its use is more costly and less common than the worn-in ease of the baby butchering business. However, like any emerging technology, the more its use expands, the lower its costs become.

We can be the drivers of the expansion of its use, by making unethical research the expensive and inconvenient option. When I was a little girl, I was horrified to learn that lipsticks were tested on mistreated lab rabbits and resolved to never condone that practice with my purchase. So did every little girl I knew. Now cruelty-free cosmetics are the expected and affordable norm. Please, if we could ban together as a caring society to save the bunnies, what should we be willing to do to save the babies?

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42 comments on “Murdering infants to obtain fetal tissue for vaccine research

  1. Tim says:

    Kill germ theory. Reject the fraudulent(and hypocritical) religion of Scientism.

    They are like sorcerers and witches. With their “special” magic language of obsfucation and diversion.

    Nothing they do is of real value. Nothing. NOTHING. They are The Backwards Ones,,,The Inverted Ones. Agents wittingly or unwittingly of anti-Christ(ego). The Distorters. The Liars.

    The Ones Who Wear “White-Washed” Coats:

    “…Hypocrites!…like white-washed tombs…Clean and beautiful on the outside,, but, inside, full of dead men’s bones and all kind of evil…”.

    Whoop! THERE IT IS…


    • Lewis Papier says:

      Tim–excellent post. My song THE VIRUS IS MY GOD is relevant here. Check it out:

      • Alan Kwan says:

        Yes, everything happening now is very biblical. Virology (and germ theory etc.) is actually the modern version of idolatry. Ever wondered how the Israelites in the Old Testament could bring themselves to worship those stupid false gods? Now we know: they believed those were true, just like the people of today believing the false mainstream narrative.

        God’s kingdom cannot come without our liquidating all historical mistakes. Things which went wrong will recur until we do it right.

    • Arby says:

      One wonders. AnnMaria can talk about doctors’ need to not simply and arrogantly dismiss patients’ ideas because they haven’t had the training that they’ve had. But, Does she dismiss those of us who sense – not in a New Agey fashion – that germ theory is bunk?

  2. Raven says:

    Interesting interview, Jon. I wish you had asked Ms. Cardinalli whether she applies her ethical microscope to the rampant pedophilia and satanic ritual killings of children by the Catholic Church of which she claims to be an ardent follower.

    Not addressing this blatant example of hypocrisy totally negates her opinion and highlights her fake moral righteousness, thereby shining a light on exactly why all these immoral practices continue.

    • Terry BEar says:

      Yes, Raven, that would be a most area of evil to include, and address, with Ms. Cardinalli.

    • Donna Ruth says:

      Interesting question, Raven. If one is steeped in the Catholic faith, as Ms. Cardinalli is, then one is able separate the transcendent from the physical. Contrary to popular opinion, Catholics do not hang their faith on individual popes, cardinals, bishops, priests, or offices within the Church. Catholics are Christians who hang their hats on Jesus Christ. Many who are not Catholics, or who were Catholics who did not know their faith, may opine negatively about the teachings of the Church, but in many cases that would be like asking the person who watches a few baseball games a year to be an expert commentator at the World Series. One must be well versed so as to able to offer informed comment.

      I am certain if people examined Ms. Cardinalli’s body of work they would find ample evidence of her strong verbal opposition to any hypocrisy at the hands of clergy and offices within the Church. All Catholics are called to speak out and oppose any such hypocrisy. While being aware of hypocrisy, they also take solace that the fundamental essence of teachings are transcendent and not flawed; while, at the same time, some of the administrative purveyors can be sinful – or even evil. After all, Jesus had to deal with Judas. I am so happy my children did not discard me when I revealed my many flaws as a person and a parent, but were able to know that fundamentally underneath was a parent who was good-hearted, loved them desperately, and who worked every day to do the best she could. She fell short and repented at the end of each day, and was comforted by knowing a new day would be dawning. A fresh start with fresh resolve.

      The interview with Ms. Cardinalli was not all-inclusive. It was to tackle a specific, very serious subject. If there were more time and Ms. Carninalli had been asked questions about pedophilia, she would surely have answered fully. As to “satanic ritual killings,” perhaps Raven has a substantiated body of evidence to present.

      • Tim says:

        The Holy Spirit Speaks

      • Raven says:


        Ms. Cardinalli brought her alliance with the church as well as her employment with the FBI into the interview on her own. Bells go off because both these organizations have been actively hiding a monstrous global child trafficking network. How do think these various labs obtained infants to murder for their organs? Seems like you’d be more interested in constructive dot connecting than in defending someone you don’t know.

        • les online says:

          You are quite right. Every Catholic knows everything that goes on in their church. And every FBI agent or employee knows everything that goes on in their organisation. And every time a member of either organisation is interviewed about a specific matter should condemn their organisation for doing the Devil’s work.

      • David Herin says:

        Thank you — excellent reply.

      • Cris M. says:

        Of course ritual killings are known by the church, in fact to keep people sitting back when some people were beginning to care about that, remember they cannonized Simon of Trent. Then, not all that long ago, de-cannonized, and catholics said nothing.

        The church is comfortable that people have gone to sleep enough no one cares, regardless the occasional reporting, and even self reporting by some factions of the church, as nonetheless mass child abuse goes on, everywhere, not only through catholic churches of course but everywhere.

        Most people do not care — or it would not be going on.

        There are those of us who yet share focus, among all the other tyranny going on, though as far as people or churches caring that much, not really, the two words to apply here the words — self evident. Time has gone on long enough.

    • Tim says:

      That’s why “satan”(ego) through Roman govt invented it and hijacked the teachings….to distort and mislead,,, and also to discredit…like you’re doing…to an individual…who does not seem to have the background or attitude or behavior of a minion of “satan”, that in spite of the “satanic” nature of the hierarchy, she has and is “doing good”…not propagating “satanism” or even submission to the hierarchy that I can see.

      There is a little problem of “guilt by association”…stereotyping…ignoring or attempting to delete The Individual…sweeping generalizations… and judging from/by a standard of perfection while in the middle of experiencing a clearly flawed and distorted “world” and “life”.

      FraudWorld, the world that rejected Truth=Reality

    • Jimmy says:

      Not actually backing up your statement of “satanic ritual killings of children” negates your opinion and highlights your own “fake moral righteousness.”

      See how that works?

      • Cris M. says:

        Snark is not argument. Though you only noted ritual killing, you left out pedophelia which was part of the post, and which criticism is accurate therefore your aggresion in false defense negates your opinion.

        As to your church’s convenient posturing on ritual killing, as said in my post above, using Simon of Trent, then tossed aside.

    • Arby says:

      Anyone who is proud of being serving member of the rampaging, largest and most powerful terrorist organization on the planet, loses my support. But, God, not I, will judge her.

      “U.S. WARS AND HOSTILE ACTIONS: A LIST” by David Swanson /

      What’s David up to now? I don’t know, but the trend is for most – regular people, public intellectuals, gangster politicians, professionals across all fields, doctors, scientists – to join in welcoming and celebrating covid 1984.

      God has always taken note of who upholds his standards and who spits, knowingly and willingly, on them. But today, there’s a very visible separation of the Biblical sheep from the goats. And there will be, I dare say, a further separation of sheep from sheep, which you can see. Look at all of the controlled opposition in covid 1984. I don’t believe that smart folks like Del Bigtree and RFK Jr don’t know that germ theory is bunk. Ergo…

    • Haniel Adhar says:

      […] you seriously don’t get it, you don’t understand what you are saying or why, and the fact that you don’t get it negates your comment in every way possible.

      In other words, you miss the point entirely.

    • Geo Martin says:

      So the action of a few men, and we could go into the infiltration of the church by communists and homosexuals in another time, invalidates a whole religion?

      So all the teachings of the church of Christ are moot because of a few criminals put there.

      Moreover is the catholic church the only institution involved in what you describe?

      How about the education system, the military, the UN, the NGOs involved with children in need, sports clubs, etc?

      Let’s not allow our personal hatred cloud our judgement to see to whole picture.

      • Cris M. says:

        […] The church is and always has been an aggressor. The ‘education’ system brainwashing ‘obedience’ and false record and distraction from what matters, stems from the church, and the church has used militarism, and benefits from ‘u.s. military’ which protects it’s existence with almost no application of law against pedos as almost none of the priest have gone to jail, and by it’s pushing ignorant overpopulation has been of harm to earth and the future. It is not a ‘few’ criminals’. It is a reocrd of mass theft and assault and death and earth destruction. People will figure it out when they can’t eat.

  3. Jon, maybe I misunderstood. Did you conduct the interview with AnnaMaria Cardinalli?

  4. Ed says:

    A post like this greatly opens the mind. If we are going to change society for the better the message must be shared far and wide

    Thank you Jon and Anna Maria

  5. miker says:

    Amazing pedal-to-the-metal-truth! The blatant contrast of the two different worlds…(truth and love-life vs deceit and evil-death). We choose.

  6. Paul says:

    “I worry
    our society
    has removed death
    so far from life
    that we
    don’t even recognize it…”

    “I suspect
    this kind of thinking
    in turn
    produces academic writing
    in which it is
    almost impossible
    to see
    anything untoward.”

    “…so instead,
    the scientific dissociation
    of cause-and-effect
    remains in place.”

    ~ AnnaMaria Cardinalli
    {Interview excerpt, by Jon Rappoport}

    Goodness ! Where are, such thoughtful statements found within MSM interviews?

    What a Lesson for them.

    Will They harken…?

    “The problem with the 20th century…, is…, Man’s inability to feel, …feel, the consequences, of their actions.”

    ~ Terence McKenna

  7. Roundball Shaman says:

    “Murdering infants to obtain fetal tissue for vaccine research”

    Picture the Big Pharma corporate staff meeting one day that discussed starting this kind of ‘research’…

    ‘Gentlemen and ladies… hope you enjoy the coffee and pastries! Hope you are all well today.’

    ‘We have a huge opportunity before us right now to score a great victory for *The Science!* and to make obscene profits for many years to come that will make us all filthy rich! How does that sound to everyone?’

    ‘GREAT! What does it involve? Does it we have any concerns here?’

    ‘Well, to be honest, it involves murdering infants to obtain fetal tissue for vaccine research.’

    ‘Understood. But to repeat… do we have any concerns here?’

    ‘Well, I guess not.’

    ‘Good! I didn’t think any of you would object.’


  8. Sean says:

    What should we be willing to do to save the babies from profiteering murderers?

    When did murdering become lawful?

    So if it is a court problem, then wouldn’t they need to answer that question?

    If it is a legislation problem, then wouldn’t they need to answer that question?

    Ultimately who is allowing the murdering of infants for harvesting their organs while they are still alive, to be used in drugs and covid vaccines?

    Is this harvesting being done to rationalize vaccines, ect. to promote abortions?

    So could the bottom line be , there is no honor or integrity in our legal and courts system to put a stop to whatever is behind harvesting infants organs. Torture. Murder.

    Im not seeing that the tv world will have anything to do with getting this word out because that would be a conflict of interest.

    What should we be willing to do to save the babies? How did the bunny savors get it done?

  9. Tom Bernard says:

    Jon; I commend you, your research, and persistent determination… This series of articles is the Holy Grail of defense against the evil presently devouring our world… And as these monsters gear up to ‘vaccinate, with their poison” our innocent children; your efforts become monumentally more critical… Truly, we must all unite and force feed this horrific information to the world until we all choke on the depravity of it… I don’t believe the eyes of Christianity will open any other way, but God has given them the power to save our children and the world, so we must all try.

  10. Michael G says:

    Solzhenitsyn said it best.

    “If I were called upon to identify briefly the principal trait of the entire 20th century… I would be unable to find anything more precise and pithy than to repeat once again: Men have forgotten God.”

  11. Saeger says:

    In the time frame on us, I think more should become aware of ramping undercurrent psyop pushing the catholic faction, in my opinion being so as further biowepns are used which I submit the poison stabblings now are begin of and that and other methods become assault more grave, the ramp of religion focus setup is so that group and every christian offshot tramples over the death agenda by distraction of monotheism religion. They have done it before. People must, must be informed, the record is vile. The situation centuries ago, beside inquistions, then other mass murder covered over and protected by those in the church as the wipe outs continued over two hundred years.

    The method is to frame out people such as cardinalli who have overt speaking ability, who in focus on something heinous, people then ascribe some sort of ‘good’ associated with ‘church’ because someone who identifies as attached is pointing something out. Whether the person is a dupe in the chosen religion and the associated label is incidental or not the point is not to mistake false assignment of ‘good’ onto the religion. I don’t fault Jon’s notations as it may be such as interviewee that some dupes are pushed forward as agenda whether they know it or not by those steering the psyop to push to front.

    Many of those who are paying attention now are not old enough to know the shift over time, or see long range plan. So to remind, the catholic religion was not focused until jf kennedy, which though I say government including president have been steered agenda from false’constitution’ to now, prior to jfk, because there was yet however slight, memory of the inquisitions terror and other, beyond the goverment cons handing religioners ‘five o one c three tax exemption’, which was and is theft and wrong and should have been a clue, back to point, the religion was kept more to the back, and in my opinion they put in kennedy to begin the push of it to front again.

    The ‘civil rights laws’ fraud was destruction of self-determination and property rights, disguised as ‘helping blacks’, then the schemers wrote his secret societies speech to lay on a martyred psyop so when he supposedly died, people would subconciously mourn a catholic, ignoring the destruction. Then over years media increased focus on whatever ‘pope’, to push further the religion, same time evangelism to distract from both, same time push both, when neither group is in position of moralizing, see raven post above.

    Being older I can relay that in the re-initializing, the perspective of many people was for many years shut up pope and catholics, as sort of an undercurrent. Then over the time since, forgotten in the ramp of distractions, from false ‘dot com boom’ to false increase ‘real estate value’ to ‘sports’ distraction to nine-eleven and much more, as increased catholic focus has lead to now, near constant.

    Also note ‘supreme court’ now over half catholics, roberts being the deciding vote on forced ‘affordable health care’ con, also note over two thousand hospitals are catholic operations. There is the catholic deep state. Must apologize this is long, needed sufficient time examples to make the point. Also would say if or at such time as there is more sickness assault, we should not let religioners distract us. If we see more acts to distract from death being done, whether media snivel act or religioners holding signs in the streets yelping ‘god’ or ‘jeeesus’ or ‘pray’ prey distraction, do not let them get away with it. In my opinion we must for just once in the record go out and say the truth ourselves on what is being done, and see cover cons for what they are doing. Otherwise they take the space, and everything with it. – Nature abhors a vaccuum (think natural law). Suggest make note to consider.

    • Kieron says:

      Well, the term “catholic” does mean comprehensive, embracing all things, and comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου katholou ‘on the whole, according to the whole, in general’, and is a combination of the Greek words κατά ‘about’ and ὅλος ‘whole’.

      The Church, and its ministers, want all of you, and all you have or possess, and I mean *all* –lock, stock and barrel. You will be assimilated.

  12. Jess says:

    This is a long article Jon, the descriptions by Deisher are terrible and sick. It would seem that the worse things have become at the same time people seem to be less informed, so thanks for the interview with Cardinelli and for writing the article, and for each of your many articles.

  13. Jake says:

    Have to point this out from article:

    “Here’s another shocker.. Adult pluripotent stem cells, obtained with adult consent and with no need for tortuous murders, actually negate the necessity of the use of fetal organs for stem cell research, because they can be cultured into any type of body cell. This technology exists now, but its use is more costly and less common than the worn-in ease of the baby butchering business.”

    I am sure they use it a lot already, half of supposed medical or doctor -type websites pretend things are only partly used, so people don’t know how much is really going on. The stem cells fact was good to point out. People forget that was outed about a decade ago.

    The people doing the terror to infants are demons in human suits.

  14. Lewis Papier says:

    Jon inspired me to write a new song. It’s called TYRANNY TRAIN. You can listen to it here:

    Tyranny Train

    (v1) Hop on board, it’s your reward
    Take one jab and you’ll be adored
    Now I believe you know the score
    These fine words you can’t ignore

    (v2) Now it’s time to take it twice
    It’s not over, take my advice
    Run away and that’s not so nice
    Don’t comply and pay the price

    Chorus (1): Buy your ticket, you can lick it
    You won’t go insane
    Our decrees spell no guarantees
    Hop on board the Tyranny Train

    (v3) It’s your lot, to take the shot
    Another booster, have you forgot?
    Otherwise you’ll go to pot
    You’re sinking fast and you will rot

    (v4) Without your boosts, feel the noose
    Slip ‘round your neck, not so loose
    You’ve no time to play the deuce
    You’ve suffered enough, from our abuse

    Chorus (2): Buy your ticket, you can lick it
    You won’t go insane
    Our decrees spell no guarantees
    Hop on board the Tyranny Train

    Bridge: The train arrives on schedule, The Stadium’s so loud
    Did you ignore, what’s in store, mingling in the mask-less crowd?

    (v5): Instrumental
    (Chorus 3): Instrumental

    (v6): When will it end? Why ask my friend?
    Is it so hard for you to pretend?
    Our rules we can never bend
    No longer will you ever mend

    Chorus 4: Down the tracks, we’re speeding fast
    Ending all your pain
    Just like sheep, you will reap
    Slavery on the Tyranny Train

    (v7): Instrumental, fade out

  15. Arby says:

    “Also in the expert testimony cited above, Dr. Deisher made the point that using human fetal tissue for research has become more prevalent because increasing regulations on the welfare of animals have made the use of humans more convenient. More convenient! In a way, while horrifying, this is also wonderful news, because it means that animal activists successfully changed things, albeit with a terrible unexpected outcome.”

    There’s going to be two major developments in the new world to come that Catholics are clueless about: 1. Truth will be prevalent. Germ theory will not be embraced and taught, not by scammers and not by those who are well-intentioned but misled. 2. Human health will not require the interventions of (imperfect, limited, human) specialists. It will be a natural outcome of perfection (where plants, animals and humans are all adjusted to the designs (blueprints) for them of the Creator, via his application, via holy spirit, of the value of Jesus’s sacrifice.

  16. James Robert Calvert says:

    By their deeds ye shall know them. I have come to the conclusions, therefore, that humanity is lower than any animal ever thought of being, and that we have not evolved from “lower animals.”

    If anything Mark Twain had it right when he wrote: “I have been studying the traits and dispositions of the ‘lower animals’ (so-called), and contrasting them with the traits and dispositions of man. I find the result humiliating to me. For it obliges me to renounce my allegiance to the Darwinian theory of the Ascent of Man from the Lower Animals; since it now seems plain to me that that theory ought to be vacated in favor of a new and truer one, this new and truer one to be named the Descent of Man from the Higher Animals” (Mark Twain, Letters From The Earth).

    I have watched countless videos of the female species of lions, bears, even alligators defending to the death their newborns, while tens of millions of the female species of mankind murder their unborn by abortion.

  17. Haniel Adhar says:

    Their excuse is “Well, that cell line was developed generations ago”.

    Let that sink in for a few minutes.

    1972 is not “generations” ago.

    And, does a crime of murder have a statute of limitations? If so, then every single murderer in jail should be let free. Hey, that stuff happened years ago, so…

    And regarding the “Crow” who made the asinine comments about how “not mentioning the child abuse in the catholic church negates all of the interviewee’s research into the crimes of the pharmaceutical industry”: You are an idiot. You have an ax to grind because of your personal ideology, and that makes your commentary biased.

    Here is something you need to consider, and maybe you need to stay on topic and focus on the real issue here. While the corruption in organized, politically driven religious authoritative entities such as the catholic church or Islam is rampant and needs to be addressed, the issue here IS NOT RELIGION. The issue here is the widespread, dangerous, 1984/Brave New World corruption and mass murder committed by the global pharmaceutical companies that have colluded with government for decades to monetize sickness and conduct experiments on an unwitting and unwilling human population.

    This is Nazi/Soviet/Maoist level of evil, and yet, you say ALL of that is negated simply because the person being interviewed failed to address you own politically motivated bias? That’s a “big fail” for you, and way to go to redirect the attention to the issue YOU want to talk about.

    Let me drop some science on you:

    The pharmaceutical companies kill over 120,000 people a year in the US with properly prescribed drugs, if you regard the official statistics. If you include the nocosomial infections, iatrogenic causes, and malpractice, you can take that number upwards to 600,000 US citizens a YEAR are slaughtered in the name of the “new” religion, modern medicine. Modern Medicine has killed more people since 1918 than EVERY RELIGIOUS WAR AND EVERY RELIGION IN HISTORY. Look it up. That’s 100 years to murder and slice and dice more people than everything the catholic church, islam, and all the wars and conflicts associated with them throughout history COMBINED.

    So, ya think that just this once, on this blog, that we can focus on the fact that you are way more likely to get killed by your doctor than you are by a priest or minister?

    Let that shit sink in a little bit while you sit up there on your high horse, patting yourself on the back for “raising an issue” that you think negates every single one of those crimes being exposed by the person being interviewed.

    People like you who have the attention span of a GNAT and can’t focus on the critical topics being discussed are the biggest part of the problem because you assure that NOTHING gets done unless it passes your approval.

    Stay on topic, or go ahead and watch the Brandon Lee movie and start talking about how the “crows are really ravens so the whole movie means nothing”.

    I’m out.

    • Cris M. says:


      Your distraction angles and nonsense to twist for your purposes make no difference to the facts. As to the screaming caps on ‘reglious wars’ in attempt to minimize and deflect to ‘pharma’, is nonsense as it is the same, poisonings cover over by the church is a record and continues, including silence on the covid assault of freedom, under pharma con which is the same as your ‘religious wars’ -under different guise. It is the same bucket and your distraction and ommissions do not wipe the record or change current facts.

      Further, your angle to -label the other what it is that you are -fake feminiz angle, is long worn by politic, media, and church gangs, as you pretend because someone points out heinous facts, that they’re ‘on a high horse’ – as you insult and distract to run your push. People need to note the angle, we have been and are being hammered to death by the fraud of predators using a snivel angle –as they attack, as in your post, and on the’covid’ assaults against our self-determination, and in every other way. The using of ‘children’ or ‘safety’, same angle.

      As for the ‘movie’ nonsense to throw your twisting onto my post to suit your purposes, those worth watching; They Live, and Religilous by Bill Mahr, and documentary Planet of the Humans by Eric Gibbs. Do the math.

      The churches exist today due to large gangs using different labels, which as to ‘catholic’ church’ label, torture inquistions and mass theft of property over hundreds of years are the record, and which carry on of front by cons such as yourself and otherwise followers aligning identity with church assist destruction, in refusing to stop associating, the same way other’s refusal to see or use energy against destruction in their faces regardless the label means gross affect of everyone. The pedophilia, and use then tossing aside of Simon of Trent, beside the rest, are fact not opinion. Your distraction and insults and otherwise flailings do not change the facts.

    • Geo Martin says:

      well said Haniel.

  18. Benton says:

    In my opinion the changed approach to physical health has been wrong for a century. The vaccines are wrong, and everything about the system of medicine today is wrong.

    Before around seventy years ago, no one was required to have a government license to help or heal others, and knowledge was more shared.

    Also people had to focus on their health more rather than rely on crutches setup by industrialists, such as insurance or government payment.

    People were healthier, and there were few pharmaceuticals, which compare to today, obesity is rampant, the autism from vaccines, and now this. Wrong on every level.

    Thanks for writing the article, Jon.

  19. Eowyn says:

    Organ transplantation requires the same vivisection. Before you consent to being a “DONOR”, think about it. When “they” decide you are not worth keeping alive, “they” kill you by removing your organs to go to recipients, that is what will kill you.

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