More than one Vegas shooter, the evidence builds

More than one Vegas shooter; evidence builds

by Jon Rappoport

October 3, 2017

Lone shooter? Really? And this is supposed to be more than a convenient fantasy?

Yesterday, I did a brief analysis of the number of people killed and wounded at the Vegas Concert (573) in roughly four and half minutes, which is the police estimate of the duration of the attack.

The lone shooter killed or wounded 2.1 persons per second. It is HIGHLY doubtful Paddock could have done that. His distance from the concert, his lack of professional skill, his state of mind, among other factors, rule against it.

Any competent and honest law-enforcement analyst would see a huge red flag right away.

But of course, multiple shooters destroys the official narrative and opens the door to an investigation that could expose, for example, an intentional false flag operation.

Here is a piece of Jeff Rense’s analysis of rate-of-fire vs. people struck by bullets. It cuts to the core of the absurd lone shooter assumption:

“…a potential MAXIMUM of only 360 rounds could be fired at full auto burst with NO magazine changes in the approximate four minutes or 240 seconds of the shooting!”

“So, Paddock didn’t fire 360 rounds in 240 seconds because he had to stop and change magazines…probably 30 round mags. That would be THIRTEEN magazine changes in the 240 seconds. And it is reported he fired from both broken out windows in the room/s.”

“Survivors state there were shooting pauses and that is when they would run.”

“Let’s say Paddock managed to get off an amazing 300 rounds in 4 minutes (or 240 seconds) and hit someone with EVERY ROUND.”

“Remember, there were 573 killed and wounded according to late statistics.”

“WHO, then, fired off the other full-auto 273 rounds also without missing a single shot ?!”

Another man who apparently has significant professional background re weapons has sent me his detailed analysis:

“There is NO WAY in hell that this inexperienced guy was able to hit 500+ people, at a down sloping range of approximately 250-350 yards using a make-shift weapon modified to shot automatically. Here are some reasons why and you can check with other experts to verify my points.”

“1. It was dark and no matter how well lit, there are many shadows to hide in.

2. Simple a ‘sear’ (pronounced see-er) modification would have only permitted one entire magazine to shoot all at once with no select fire (being able to start and stop).

3. There are some devices (like AutoGlove and Bump Fire) that can simulate full automatic fire, but they cannot be used accurately or effectively.

4. Even if the shooter was able to somehow obtain a full normal functioning automatic rifle, anyone with military experience can tell you that the rifles are difficult to control when firing more than 3 round bursts – especially a .308 or AK47 type. This is because the rifle will uncontrollably rise if automatic fire is constant.

5. After the first 15 or so seconds, the crowd scattered and took cover.

6. I don’t have a count of how many pieces of empty brass (fired rounds) they have recovered, but knowing how many shots were fired compared to how many people were hit will tell you the hit ratio. If this guy did this in 20 seconds, we needed him desperately in Afghanistan!

7. To fire 500 aimed shoots and swap out magazines would have taken him about 15-20 minutes, and there is no way that each shot would have hit someone – more than likely would have missed.”

“To put in perspective…. Say a guy purchases an expensive bolt action rifle in .308 with a nice expensive scope. Without experience, someone would have to mount the scope for him and do a rough sighting in with a laser. This individual then takes this rifle to a range in broad daylight with no stress and using a bench rest and breathing techniques and all the time in the world and fires at a target 300 yards. It is possible, but doubtful if that person could hit a large refrigerator at that range UNLESS they had LOTS OF PRACTICE and EXPERIENCE. For every 1 minute (1/60th of a degree) of angle change at the rifle, the bullet would vary by 3 inches at 300 yards. For this untrained guy to be wildly shooting with a high heart rate at nighttime? Well, bullets would be going everywhere!”

I fully understand that the estimates of 573 killed and wounded, and the police statement that all the shooting took place in four and half minutes, may be off. These figures may not be precise.

Nevertheless, they are a good and proper starting point. And even allowing for later adjustments, the evidence for multiple shooters and against a lone amateur like Paddock is stunning.

So why won’t law-enforcement take notice?

Because, in certain cases with great consequences, the overall agenda and the direction of an investigation are set from offices far higher than the positions of the actual detectives and agents on the scene.

“This is what we want to know. Only this. Everything else is off limits.”

But it’s not off limits for us.

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227 comments on “More than one Vegas shooter, the evidence builds

  1. max says:

    At least two shooters, two windows broken. Weapons handed to the gunmen reloaded. With so many weapons no need to reload.
    Check hotel web cam videos of elevators and hallways from the day of check in. Did anyone else enter the room from the time of his check in? Anyone else check into other rooms and then went to his room? Did room service or clean up employees notice anything.
    Did anyone leave his room earlier than when the SWAT team arrived later..much later than when the shooting started.
    But then, shooting from hundreds of yards away and hitting so many people seems hard to comprehend. But also looks as if many stayed on the field for an extended period of time.

  2. questions lead to the truth says:

    Why did the cops take over an hour to get to the shooter(s)?
    The shooting platform or pedestal is an ISIS trademark but hasn’t the religion of peace angle been flushed down the memory hole like the initial Antifa items found in the room story?
    I’m sure the bestest law enforcement agency in the land, the FBI, will take a break from Russiagate and get right on the case to find the truth…bwahahaha there’s a joke for the late night genius comedians.
    Note to the inbred elites-you’ve went to the false flag well one too many times and this isn’t 2001 when there were no smart cell phones with cameras and internet pages like this one.

  3. Old Uncle Dave says:

    Like at Pentagon, Sandy Hook and San Bernardino, there is security cam footage we will never be allowed to see. ‘Nuff said. .

  4. Jon, work on your math a bit.

  5. WidespreadGrowrh says:

    Your analysis is incomplete without knowing how many were injured being trampled. Could be the vast majority.

  6. hotzpacho says:

    My only argument is the math. 573 were not all hit with bullets. Some were injured from trampling, shrapnel, etc; not necessarily bullets. Can you find out exactly how many were hit with bullets?

  7. Ron Jeka says:

    Former neighbor of Paddock and US Marine does not buy he was shooter “No way! No how.”

    “Michael Savage interviews the neighbor of the shooter”

    Savage interviews him in link below. /watch?v=EZeiunoX7bY

  8. mortimer snerd says:

    Just saw a photo of the room of the “shooter” with his body still on the floor. LOL. Where is all the brass? 600 rounds of bullet casings? The place would look like a shooting range floor. Oh…..I’m sure they picked it up to do forensics on……BEFORE THEY PICKED UP THE BODY!…

  9. Buck Larsson says:

    I shot high power rifle competitively for about 20 years. I reached the
    classification of High Master, which is as far as you can get in the sport.
    Now I am just an old retired guy.

    Aside from the fact that none of these cell phone videos show any
    injured people or any blood, it finally dawned on me what was missing
    from the sound tracks. During my shooting career, I spent a lot of time
    in the “pits” at rifle ranges. These are sometimes literally pits, but
    most of the time there is a high (10 feet or so) earth berm in front of
    the targets. The targets are usually mounted in a fairly simple
    mechanism that allows them to be raised above the earth berm and lowered
    back down behind it for scoring and marking. One of the relays of
    shooters who don’t happen to be shooting at the moment stands in front
    of the targets behind the earth berm and pulls the targets down and pushes them back up
    to score them and mark them in such a way that the shot value can be
    seen and scored from as far as 1000 yards away, but usually closer. When
    you are in the pits, the bullets are passing over your head about 6 feet
    up. A supersonic rifle bullet (and according to what the police are
    claiming, these were all “military type” cartridges, which except for
    special ops stuff, is all supersonic) produces a piercing, whistling,
    very sharp crack, at least as loud as the muzzle blast as it passes by
    you in the pits. (think sonic boom, only much higher pitched and
    sharper) When it hits the impact berm, if there is one, or anything else
    solid, there is a pronounced thud. These sounds are very audible, and
    would be uncomfortable without earplugs up to 100 yards away. (close up,
    without hearing protection, the sonic crack would possibly cause hearing
    damage. That is why hearing protection in the pits is mandatory.) Those sounds are totally missing from ALL of the recordings. In the pits, you almost never hear the muzzle blast of the
    rifle back at the firing line, because it is masked by the sonic crack,
    which, from your position is MUCH louder. The bullet also arrives
    slightly before the sound from the muzzle of the rifle does. (The very definition of supersonic) In the videos, you can hear the muzzle blast clearly. If there were real high
    power rifle bullets arriving all around you, I doubt the muzzle blast
    would have been audible at all. At the angle the rounds were allegedly
    fired from, there should be audible thuds of bullets striking the
    ground. Nothing.

    I believe that this is a total hoax. I doubt there was a live round
    fired. This was theater, with sound effects.

    • Theodore says:

      I have never been in a pit like you describe, nor in a foxhole on the battle field, but, from what you are saying, I’m sure a soldier in a foxhole on the battle field would easily attest to your description.

      But, I can, for the most part, feel what you are saying… when I saw the movie “Saving Private Ryan” for the first time, I saw it in a theater, a surround-sound theater, and, in certain scenes, they took pains to re-create the sounds you describe, if I recall correctly. I do remeber saying to myself, “shit, this feels real!”

      I, too, do not hear that in all the Las Vegas cellphone video I have so far seen/heard.

      (Do most top-of-the-line cellphones come built (from slave factories in China) with shitty microphones? That they’ve only increased the quality, over time, of the moving picture processing part but decided to take no time to improve the embedded shitty mics?)

      Thanks again for pointing all this out.

    • Theodore says:


      Check out the first video in this article… it is from a police body cam on an officer who is behind a cinder block wall with bullets supposedly flying overhead… Let us know what your analysis is. Thanks.

    • flyinggabriel says:

      I spent hours in the pit with my grandfather when I was 12 years old. The targets we had were rotated and I had the job of patching the holes at the direction of the recorder. It’s 50 years ago, probably wouldn’t happen now. The members were mainly vets still proudly sporting their Lee-Enfield .303’s. I was taught to use one at 13, the year he died. Your description fired up the memory.

      Anyways, moving on. Check the following footage from about the 35 sec mark and watch it at 0.25. Watch right next to the plastic cup centre frame as a girl runs toward it – the impact arrives around the same time as her foot and close enough she obviously feels it. Her reaction is more obvious when played again at normal speed, as is the after-puff and the distinct sound of ricochet. There’s your live round. Cheers. /watch?v=zodiGpCdBzQ

      • Theodore says:

        Between the 42 and 44 sec mark, I do hear what seem to be two ricochets.

        Parallel to this… eye-witness reports are coming in saying that more than one type of full-auto gun fire sounds were occurring simultaneously.

        So, how to account for just the two (so few) ricochets in the video vs the ostensibly overwhelming number of full-auto rounds being shot?

        I’m hypothesizing that there were additional multiple shooters “on the ground” — and, much closer to the venue, using semi-auto (not full-auto) rifles carrying out sniper operations on the crowd.

        This hypothesis is attempt to account for what Buck is saying AND hearing SO FEW ricochets in the many videos.

        My hypothesis is as follows…

        Let’s say that the “full-auto gun fire” SOUND was coming form various SOUND SPEAKERS positioned (pre-staged!) throughout the area and NOT coming from real rounds from (mechanical) machine guns. Just various “full-auto gun fire” SOUND being played by a “techno DJ”! If so, then that would provide a great cover for the snipers who were doing the killing — using the “one trigger-pull, one bullet” tactic.

        The SOUND of full-auto gun fire, NOT real full-auto bullets: This SOUND used as camouflage (to further ‘hide’ were the sniper rounds are coming from) while simultaneously doubling as a simple but very effective disorientation ‘weapon’ against the victims.

        Definitely need to know the ballistics of those wounded by bullets. But the Feds will probably keep that info close to the vest, no?

        And, I hope the SOUND of “full auto” was not played through the City of Las Vegas’s EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, but that the jerks at least took the time to stage their own one-off speaker system. If the former, then talk about rubbing our faces in it…

        The following article is from Nov 2013…

        “The wireless, LED lighting, computer-operated lights are not only capable of illuminating streets, THEY CAN ALSO PLAY MUSIC, interact with pedestrians and are equipped with video screens, which can display police alerts, weather alerts and traffic information. The high tech lights can also stream live video of activity in the surrounding area.” (emphasis added)

        Yeah,… THEY CAN ALSO PLAY MUSIC, see page-4. It shows Las Vegas as one of their references.

    • Jim says:

      I remember pulling targets when I was in the Marines, I have to agree with you completely.

  10. Northroo1 says:

    Cmon one bullet could easily injure or kill more than 1 person especially when the crowd is packed tight and huddled together in fear , the bullet only has to penetrate flesh which is quite soft people.

  11. RF says:

    In the photos he had 100rd mags, 12 or so stacked and one weapon loaded.

  12. Håkon “Mr. Ralter” Elessar-Jankov says:

    I believe this destroys your whole theory. “About half of the victims taken to University Medical Center suffered graze wounds, probably from bullets that ricocheted off the ground, Fraser said. Other patients may have been struck by bullets that passed through other victims. Some were hurt as they tried to flee – or were trampled in the panic.

    But 30 were in critical condition after suffering direct hits, he said.”

  13. Eric Feldkamp says:

    Why are you even thinking about aimed shots? Imagine a football field covered with people. From the nose bleed seats you pull the trigger. No one needs to aim to have a bullet hit someone on the field. Empty a magazine into a football field sized target and you’re going to hit with every shot. With over penetration and crowd density some of your shots will hit multiple targets.

    Your math on shots per minute looms off by a good bit too. Even at a relatively slow rate of 5 per second that’s 300 rounds per minute. Sustained rate on an m16 is 700-900 rounds per minute. With 50 or 100 round mags little time is lost reloading (though they are prone to malfunctioning which reportedly happened to paddock). A rate of 300 rounds certainly isn’t stretching credulity.

    • Jim says:

      You obviously have absolutely no experience with firearms. It was over 1,000 feet from the Mandalay Bay Hotel to the concert, that is approximately 333 yards. That’s over 3 football fields away. Have you ever fired at a human sized target from 333 yards? I have, in the Marines. Hitting a human sized target from that distance is difficult, when they start moving it’s even more difficult. No way this guy was alone and killed that many people.

      • doncline says:

        C’mon, Jim. You seem to be under the mistaken impression this guy was taking aimed shots at individual people. He was not. He was spraying human-sized fish standing shoulder to shoulder in a barrel. He didn’t have to use the sights at all, just point the gun in the general direction with the muzzle lifted enough to lob the rounds into the crowd. He couldn’t miss, at least until the crowd dispersed. Each time they started running again they presented a human wall that he couldn’t miss.


        • Jim says:

          He wasn’t aiming? So you were there watching him? Once people started getting hit they must have panicked and run, the majority of the rounds coming in that hit people most likely would have been non-lethal hits. The official story is a load of B.S.

      • Joe says:

        Firing at one human from that distance might be difficult. Firing at 20,000 densely packed people with a bump stocked semiautomatic rifle would be fish in a barrel. The fact that he didnt kill more people is the biggest credit to the 1 shooter theory.

      • David says:

        Then you were an absolutely terrible shot in the Marines. Hitting a human sized target at 333 yards is pretty damned easy with the firearms used and the optics shown. And yeah, I have a great deal of experience. Head shots at 1,000 yards are routine, sometimes off-hand (not using a rifle rest or bipod), but I can’t do it every single time. It also takes a heavier caliber, such as a .308 due to bullet drop and wind deflection. The truth is, Paddock was not too bright. Automatic fire was not the best way to take aimed shots, so he probably didn’t bother (spray and pray), but even at 333 yards (or whatever it was), he was bound to hit a lot of people. And yeah, just one guy could do all of this, pretty easily from his perch. […]

  14. krys says:

    As much as I like TRUE conspiracies such as the JFK, MLK jr, RFK, Sandy Hook, 9/11 & so many other real events, I have to say that in the rush to offer an alternative to the lamestream media’s propaganda, it’s possible to grab at too many (non-existent?) straws.There are a LOT of comments here made by very knowledgeable people with far more experience & insight than I possess. I HOPE the REAL truth comes out about this tragic event but like so many events in the past, it may not happen. What REALLY happened may not ever really be discovered unless some private individuals take it upon themselves to do the right thing & get rid of the conjectures, bologna and faulty thinking from far too many. Was there more than 1 shooter? I honestly don’t know. There ARE quite a few valid points made that seems to indicate that this may be true but then again, it’s possible that much of what initially seemed true (from a conspiratorial perspective) may not be.

    • doncline says:

      The only thing leading anyone to think there were multiple shooters is the cop’s on the radio claiming they heard more than one shooter, and what the cops heard was multiple echoes from multiple high-rise buildings in the area adding and canceling each other out. If you listen to the tapes you can hear the gunfire adding and canceling.

    • David says:

      It should be obvious already – the only “conspiracy” here is what the extremists are now manufacturing about this story. There never was any conspiracy. […]

    • ruffsoft says:

      RE Sandy Hook (a poison the well promotion of the CIA): Newtown’s only undertaker (or is he another of the hundreds of hired actors?) stated: “Honan said his staff at the funeral home has been given the grim task of trying to hide the bullet holes for a week’s worth of wakes.

      “We’re trained to cover them up,” he said. “We have people with special skills to do that. Some caskets will be open and some will be closed.”

      An open casket, he added, “brings the reality of the situation to light and helps bring closure” for the families. Honan said his clients are “handling it well overall . . . considering what is happening.”

      Just as bad money drives out good, absurd conspiracy theories, serve to protect the guilty from the valid conspiracy allegations. The only beneficiaries of mass shootings are the gun makers whose sales soar and whose stock prices rise. Cui bono?

      • doncline says:

        And rightfully so, given that the only other beneficiaries of a mass shooting are the Leftist monsters who dance in the blood of the fallen in their efforts to deprive everyone of their rights — all their rights, not merely their right to keep and bear arms, for without the right to keep and bear arms we have no defense against the destruction of all ou rights. Oh, and do I need to point out the destruction of our 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th, and 10th Amendment rights occasioned by background checks compelled as a precondition to the exercise of the government privilege to keep and bear arms? Government has no authority to issue or deny permission to exercise a right, and background checks have never prevented a crime in the history of the planet — and were never intended to. They were and are intended to sucker law-abiding citizens into waiving the aforementioned rights so government can claim they have none left to exercise when the ‘permission’ is revoked.

        • flyinggabriel says:

          I agree with both bonos. If we could only nail who these “Leftists monsters” really are ….

          • doncline says:

            Given that nearly every politician with a ‘D’ after his or her name has used the Las Vegas tragedy to justify more gun control at the same time they admit, categorically, that no gun control law would have prevented the Las Vegas tragedy — and now ten turncoat Republicans have signed onto a bill imposing a five- or ten-year sentence for anyone found to be in possession of a “rate of fire enhancement device” — without identifying what that may be, shoelace, belt-loop, lighter trigger pull, shorter reset, quicker finger, etc., making the legislation ‘void for vagueness’ — I think it should be fairly easy to identify who these liberal monsters are.

  15. Michael Jerome says:

    I’m not saying we have all the facts or that the official story is always to be taken at face value… But you’re assuming too much.
    There were 500+ injured… but there’s been no mention that all of these injuries were due to bullet wounds. Many were probably trampled during the frantic exit.
    Crime scene photos clearly show Surefire extended magazines were present… 60- or 100-round capacity. Not ordinary 30-round mags.
    Rate of discharge can easily be 600+ rounds per minute. A 100-round mag can empty in 10 seconds. Assuming a very slow 20-second mag change, you’re looking at 200 rounds discharged per minute, conservatively. Five minutes of shooting, 1000 rounds. Only 59 of those rounds would have had to cause the fatalities. More rounds hit people, to be sure… But plenty of rounds made it down range to cause those injuries, even from just one shooter.
    The cab driver video/audio is interesting… It definitely sounds like shooting from two locations. But wouldn’t all the press and cameras on the Mandalay Bay have caught another window broken out or open? The flashing light could very easily have been a simple strobe party light.
    It doesn’t take much effort at being covert to take weapons and ammo to a hotel room. There are suitcases long enough to easily accommodate those weapons without disassembly or modification.
    I wonder how he fired with the bump stocks… Prone position with those is difficult, but would lend a little more accuracy.
    Will we ever know the full story? Who knows. But we need to be honest about the selected weapon systems, their capabilities, casualty report ambiguities, the difficulty of sound reflection in a concrete jungle like Vegas, etc.

  16. Joe says:

    Why would every injured necessarily have been shot? Do you really think nobody was trampled? […]

    • Theodore says:

      have you been able to find an trampling videos? just asking.

      i see a lot of huddling videos.

      • The hospital reported 500 injured, with 120 shot (and 58 dead)…so clearly, most of the injuries were related to crowd chaos….can you imagine machine gun fire into a crowd of 22,000 and trampling NOT taking place?

  17. I have always seen it reported as 500+ “injured,” not “shot.” It is possible the high number of reported injuries include those who were hurt in ways other than directly being hit by gunfire (e.g. bumps and bruises and cuts from ricochet, fragmenting bullets, injured in falling or being knocked down, etc.).

  18. Matthew Reynolds says:


    Only about 150 people were hit by gun fire. The rest of the injuries were from being trampled.
    He had preloaded as many as 8 weapons with bump fire stocks. This meant he only had to move to the next gun, not change the magazine.
    The rate of fire on the bump fire stocks was reported as being as high as 400 rounds per minute.
    The magazines in question are reported as holding 100 rounds, not 30 rounds.
    The total duration of the attack was reported at 11 minutes, not 4 and a half.

    My analysis is this. In the first four minutes or so, he was quickly switching between loaded bump fire weapons, firing 15 second bursts of 100 rounds a couple times a minute. After that, the rate of fire drastically decreased as he began to reload his weapons, but firing continued sporadically for the next six minutes.

    He fired perhaps 1600 rounds. His overall accuracy was dismal. He seems to have sprayed bullets into as much as a 700 yard wide circle. Only because the crowd was large and dense did he hit anyone, mostly in the first few minutes before the crowd began to disperse and find cover.

    • Matthew Reynolds says:

      And it occurs to me that there is an additional problem with your math. You are assuming 1 round equals at most 1 injury. In the early stages of this, that’s probably not true. If he was firing jacketed .223 into a dense crowd, you’d fully expect bullets to go right through someone and into someone else with not trivial probability.

  19. Bill Cochran says:

    I am an untrained shooter and never have been in the military. In addition, I am old hence weak and shaky! I will give you $100 for every time I miss a refrigerator at 300 yards if you give me $50 for every hit. You’re using faulty logic to sensationalize your story.

  20. streamfortyseven says:

    There were two kinds of rifles fired, and they are identifiable by their audio signatures. One is an M240B, firing .308 calibre at a cyclic rate of 600 RPM. The other is a AR-15, firing .223 calibre at a varying cyclic rate of 650 – 750 RPM, this is obviously a bump trigger. The extreme end of the zone of effective fire for .223 is 400 meters, which is the distance from the hotel to the target area, so it would be reasonable to see superficial wounding from those rounds; the zone of effective fire for .308 is 1250 meters, and 400 meters is well within that zone, so it would be reasonable to see severe wounding, and bullets passing through more than one person. As to muzzle flash, the M240B is equipped with a flash suppressor, and in that lighting environment, you’d have to have a video camera with telephoto lens pointed at the window where the M240 was to have the slightest chance of getting imagery of that muzzle flash, a phone camera wouldn’t do the trick. I’ve seen video showing muzzle flash from the 32nd floor firing point, so apparently there was no flash suppressor on that rifle. From the dispersal of those flashes, it’s likely a bump trigger was used. Finally, I’ve pulled targets and heard .308 and .223 fire overhead, and yes, there’s an extremely loud whip crack sound overhead, which at 500 yards, at least for .308, comes before you hear the muzzle blast. Perhaps there was some sort of noise limiter on those phones which attenuated the whip-crack noise, there might be drop-outs in the sound levels when that occurred.

  21. streamfortyseven says:

    As for anomalous responses, unless you’ve pulled targets or been under fire, you won’t know what is going on or how to deal with it. The correct response is to get down as low as you can and get behind cover as quickly as you can. People were standing up and pointing, and all of that, or taking their chances and running. And when adrenaline is running, you can get shot numerous times and not really notice it – the case of the guy being shot three times in the chest and walking around and talking is a case of this.

  22. Christopher Marlowe says:

    I think there were ZERO shooters. I think this was a HOAX. Like sandy hoax: no one was shot and no one was killed.

    • Theodore says:

      based on the evidence i have analyzed re: Vegas, there are elements of real and fake in the event.

      also, see…

    • David Crowe says:

      F**k you Christopher Marlowe and all the other s**theads who are denying the obvious fact that people died. F**k you. You are evil. You are scum. You are heartless.

    • doncline says:

      Sorry: Unlike Sandy Hook, where the coffins were sealed and the parents never saw their children lying in state, too many paramedics and coroners and reporters and private citizens saw the dead bodies … or were you just being sarcastic?

      • ruffsoft says:

        “Honan (Newtown’s only undertaker said his staff at the funeral home has been given the grim task of trying to hide the bullet holes for a week’s worth of wakes.

        “We’re trained to cover them up,” he said. “We have people with special skills to do that. Some caskets will be open and some will be closed.”

        An open casket, he added, “brings the reality of the situation to light and helps bring closure” for the families. Honan said his clients are “handling it well overall . . . considering what is happening.”

        [Who] has been lying to you?

    • ruffsoft says:

      The hospital said of the 500 injured 120 were shot. Some paranoid lunatics are saying How can it be that of 500 shot and injured, none died beyond the 58 immediately killed (Paul Craig Roberts uses this question to support the theory it is all a fake shooting with nearly 600 paid victims and 200 doctors and nurses being paid crisis actors at the hospital, plus the 200 who were somehow disappeared.
      1. Not all 58 were immediately killed.
      2.The hospital reported that of the120 with gunshot wounds 13 died at the hospital.

      Facts are such party poopers!

  23. Allan says:

    The phrase “489 people were injured” (Wikipedia) is not equivalent to ‘489 people were shot without being killed’. Also, there is a sonic phenomemon which can explain what some insist is evidence of multiple shooters:



  24. Dr. Ron Martinelli says:

    In no way does this article constitute any type of credible forensic opinion. The author’s opinions are fraught with misunderstanding of ballistics, velocity, trajectory and what those Dynamics in combination to striking hard surfaces and people can do with respect to significantly increasing injury and death rates.

    First, the author has absolutely no idea of what type of ammunition Mr. Paddock used in his high-powered and semi-automatic rifles. If he was using fully metal jacketed ammunition in High Velocity weapons such as a 223 or 308 cartridge, those projectiles would easily penetrate through a human body and strike someone else. You could have two people shot with one round easily. Next the sniper was shooting from an elevated platform in both semi and fully automatic mode. Many of those rounds impacted the hard concrete and asphalt surfaces of the concert venue and then ricocheted outwards and upwards. Many of the wounded and killed were injured and killed by richohets and splay. This also increased significantly the numbers of people severely wounded and killed.

    There is no forensic evidence nor any witnesses attesting to any Sniper being at ground level or in any other elevated positions. Those people that stated that they saw two Shooters in the Mandalay Bay Hotel, failed to appreciate the reflective quality of the windows throughout the hotel building. Those reflective Windows mirrored the muzzle flashes from paddocks rifles.

    […] completely unsupported by credible witness testimony or by any forensic evidence. […] Let forensic experts speak for the truth of the crime scene […]

    Dr. Ron Martinelli
    Forensic Criminologist

    • Theodore says:

      Hi Dr Ron,

      By the way, has any one posted a video — that you are aware of and could point me to — in which we can clearly hear a MULTITUDE of bullets-whistling-by sounds and/or a MULTITUDE of bullet-richocet sounds (you know, the real ‘war scene’ stuff)… say, a video/audio recording by a witness/victim that had his iTelphone rolling at the time he was subjected to the incoming fire in the concert pit?

      So far, i only find videos were i hear just one or two bullets actually whizzing by the victims in the pit — all the while, the ‘Gatling gun’ SOUNDS drone on and on and on in the distant background — as if those distant SOUNDS were a recording being broadcasted out of those darn Intellistreet lights theys got all over down there on those Vegas boulevard streets…

    • doncline says:

      Thanks, Doc. I was beginning to think I was yelling into a vacuum. And the reflections on the window likely weren’t coming from Paddock’s weapons, which were not located at an acute angle to the glass. They were likely reflecting strobe lights from the concessionaire’s stands.

      • Steve Scott says:

        looked like emergency light reflection to me (police ambulance). if you watch some of the so called second shooter muzzle flashes not only so they not line up with the sound at times but some times the flashes appear after the sound. this rules out the throw distance theory unless the conspirators changed the laws of physics to make sound travel faster light to throw people off.

    • Steve Scott says:

      love your take but as I mentioned in a later comment I have never heard that there were over 500 shot, I have heard over 500 injuries have to wonder if a lot of these injuries are a result of 22000 panicked people fleeing gun fire and not the gun fire itself

    • JL says:

      Good info, but the guy was not a sniper by definition.

  25. Steve Scott says:

    […] it was never reported that there were over 500 people shot. it was reported more 500 people were injured .I would assume well over half these injuries were related to 22,000 people in panic mode trying to escape (trampled. elbowed, fallen, pushed crushed). The amount of time firing I have read was about 9 to 12 minutes not 4 to 5 minutes. as far as the amount of skill and stamina it would take to fire these weapons I have found videos of of six year olds firing ar15 assault rifles accurately on youtube. as far as his accuracy I would assume it would be harder to hit than miss when you are firing into a one acre sea of 22,0000 people standing shoulder to shoulder. Everyone took cover after 10 or 15 seconds come on are you stupid you think 22,000 people who were fenced into an open field found cover in less than 15 seconds, I would guess it to longer than that for the whole crowd to realize exactly what was going on. Changing magazines are stupid you say he had all these weapons in his room for no reason think about it he had what 13 guns fitted with bump stalks
    all preloaded, he did’nt have to change a magazine until he emptied 13 magazines he simply had to pick up the next gun. Jon seems to think it would be unlikely that that paddock could get could get all these guns to his room unnoticed but seems to think that some unknown people involved in some sort of set up could bring the same number of guns into a room not belonging to them but comped to a “well known high stakes gambler” without being noticed. […]

  26. Hawaiiguy Kailua says:

    Don’t forget the “shooter” hit one guy in the right chest 3 times! We know this because his best friend was at the concert with him and after using a shirt to stop the blood, stuck around and gave untold interviews to TV crews of the harrowing incident. Luckily we got a followup interview the following day with the victim. He was in such bad shape from three bullets ripping through his right chest, lung and back he actually had to have a small bandage put on his chest.. Luckily for all involved his best friend was in the hospital room for the exclusive interview, for of it wasn’t for his bravery to stick around and do interviews we may never have witnessed the miraculous recovery of his friend. Think he’s going to recover just fine as the bullets seemed to hit everything but his body.

  27. JL says:

    It doesnt take military experience to do what he did. Guns were invented to be easy to fire, cf crossbows, cf bows. He fired at a massive crowd of 20,000 people. Shooting randomly, its almost a given that 1 in 40 would get hit with bullets, shrapnel, and stampeding. That more werent hit is a testament to how quickly everyone took cover. If there were a second shooter, depending on location, the death and injury toll would have been doubled. A second shooter is plausible, but the investigators said they found no one interacting with Paddock in surveillance video.

  28. Theodore says:

    Fleshing out my theory on there being multiple shooters — both human and human-operated drones carrying long rifles…

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