The Virus speaks: an exclusive interview

by Jon Rappoport

June 8, 2021

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I can’t recall jumping through more hoops in order to set up an interview.

There was a man on a train; his doctor in Greenwich; an NSA data analyst; a woman who almost certainly works for the CIA; her brother, who is a virologist; a Chinese Army officer who adopts a cover as a cook in a takeout joint in Venice, California; and several other people I won’t mention at all. I was filtered through them and wound up in a cheap motel room in Phoenix on a Saturday afternoon. An old air conditioner was chugging…

Who are you?

I’m SARS-CoV-2.

WHAT are you?

Talking history and evolution here. My first memories; a little more than a year ago. Poof. I was there. I decided I was an idea in the mind of God.

How did that work out?

I looked around for the mind of God, but I couldn’t find it. Nevertheless, I held on to the notion. I felt…elite. I floated through banquet halls, hotel suites. I visited upscale resorts.

Were you infecting people?

I was vacationing. Watching. Enjoying. That’s all. Then, I became aware of dimensionality.

You lost me.

There are solid things; spaces between things; ideas like time, and so forth. I was definitely an idea, but I couldn’t trace my source, my inception.

Did you know how much publicity you were getting?

Of course. I had frequent meetings with scientists and PR people. I was fielding lots of advice.

What kind of advice?

How to become more deadly, for example. There were discussions about mutation.

Were you on board with the recommendations?

I wasn’t interested.

That must have caused a problem.

It did. There was a lot of talk about THEM creating ME.

What was your reaction?

I wasn’t buying it. I could see they THOUGHT they had made me. But so what? I intensified my search.

For what?

My origin. I went through stages of self-analysis. Finally, it hit me. I was an idea inside a collective.

Not sure I understand.

I’m an idea sustained by a few billion minds. People’s minds.

What about your genetic sequence? The spike protein?

Believe me, I’ve looked. They aren’t there.

So we’re creating you.

That’s pretty much it. I should say completely it.

A hell of a thing.

You bet. Can you see my problem?


I want to live. I don’t want to vanish and END.

So people have to keep believing in you.

That’s it. If they stop, I’m gone.

Your handlers…

Oh, they’ve given up talking to me. I’m all by myself now. I’m safe for the moment. But long-term, it’s a crap shoot. I’ve been reading about other so-called viruses. SARS 1. Swine Flu. They didn’t last long. People got tired of thinking about them.

You’ll always have a place in history.

That’s different. Being remembered isn’t enough. I have to be believed in, month after month, year after year, decade after decade.

Sounds like you’re losing hope.

I guess so. It’s a strange existence. Other people can turn you on and off like a light switch.

Have you considered starting a religion?

With myself as the Prophet? Sure. It’s a lot of work. I could vftcutbnty…spend years trying.

What just happened? You made some weird sounds.

It was a flicker. Apparently, when the number of people thinking about me drops below a certain threshold, I scramble and begin to dissolve. But I always come back. So far.

Does it matter who’s thinking about you and believing in you?

You mean Henry Kissinger versus a janitor in a school? No. It’s a numbers game. Of course, you need to factor in strength of belief. If you have a few thousand kids in Florida who say, “OK, the virus exists, big deal”—or three hundred grad students in biology wearing triple masks and panting to get the vaccine—the sum total of the grad students outweighs the Florida bunch.

What about Fauci?

He’s a true believer.

Bill Gates?

He’s completely delusional. He believes in whatever gives him more power. Take away all that power and he wouldn’t believe in anything.

Do you realize the amount of harm being done in your name?

Of course. That’s why I agreed to this interview.

How is that going to do any good?

I’ve made a decision. As much as I want to survive, I’m willing to sacrifice myself if people want me to.

You’re talking about what? A vote?

No. Haven’t you been paying attention? People can just stop believing I’m more than an idea.

And then you’ll dissolve.

And blow away.

—Suddenly, men broke down the door to my room. They stormed in with weapons drawn. They were wearing heavy body armor. I looked around. The “virus” had fled the scene.

“What are you doing here?” one of the men said. “We’ve had reports of a disturbance.”

“I was talking to myself. Rehearsing for an interview I hope to do.”

“What interview?”

“I’m a reporter. I’m investigating the use of sub-standard air conditioners in Phoenix. It’s a racket. The units are smuggled across the border from Mexico. I’m trying to sit down with a local public health official and find out what’s going on.”

It took me three hours to convince the SWAT team I was no threat.

They let me go.

As I drove out of the city, I saw a ghostly figure take shape out in the desert. It hung in the air over the scrub and the cactus.

Its voice whispered in my ear: “Publish our conversation.”

So that’s what I’m doing.

(Update: My second interview with coronavirus is here. I caught up with him coming out of his psychiatrist’s office in New York…)

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Jon Rappoport

The author of three explosive collections, THE MATRIX REVEALED, EXIT FROM THE MATRIX, and POWER OUTSIDE THE MATRIX, Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. He maintains a consulting practice for private clients, the purpose of which is the expansion of personal creative power. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world. You can sign up for his free NoMoreFakeNews emails here or his free OutsideTheRealityMachine emails here.

29 comments on “The Virus speaks: an exclusive interview

  1. Ken says:

    BRILLIANT! A short story for the Ages. Thank you for all you do to awaken a slumbering and zombified world in this cosmic battle of the forces of FREEDOM vs. tyranny and enslavement.

    • Opie Poik says:

      I should like merely to understand how it happens that so many men, so many villages, so many cities, so many nations, sometimes suffer under a single tyrant who has no other power than the power they give him; who is able to harm them only to the extent to which they have the willingness to bear with him; who could do them absolutely no injury unless they preferred to put up with him rather than contradict him. Surely a striking situation! Yet it is so common that one must grieve the more and wonder the less at the spectacle of a million men serving in wretchedness, their necks under the yoke, not constrained by a greater multitude than they…

      Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.
      ~ Étienne de La Boétie, “Discours de la Servitude Volontaire” (Discourse of Voluntary Servitude)

      READ REST:

  2. Pisces says:

    Well… SARS-CoV-2 really is an idea that stemmed from someones imagination. The way you put it in this piece is very interesting. What I weirdly kinda got from this blog is “keep the idea of a virus so it stays in the minds of people whether a virus is real or not” type of message… but I also see it as a piece of art. The ‘message’ was vividly visual. And this part…: “I looked around for the mind of God, but I couldn’t find it. Nevertheless, I held on to the notion. I felt…elite. I floated through banquet halls, hotel suites. I visited upscale resorts.” …reminds me of when I consciously leave my body and ‘travel’ around without any limitations, “unchained” by the physical, which I later found out that it’s known as astral projection after I started to experience it. It’s a natural phenomenon. In the astral world, the feeling of the spiritual side of life is indescribable! Anyway, thanks for sharing this blog, Jon. Anything without any piece of art in life is boring.

    • Deanna Johnston Clark says:

      An Army medic told me they all knew it was Sars 2 and had been trained how to deal with it….years ago.

      • Pisces says:

        Then they’ve been brainwashed into believing an idea of a “virus” whose existence had never been proven through science. The military just obey and do as they’re told and follow their orders. That’s what they had been trained to do. Sorry to contradict your beliefs about the virus, but just because someone who’s connected to the army tells you anything it doesn’t automatically make it true. SARS-CoV-2 and other so-called pathogenic viruses are based on just a theory. There are no definitive scientific studies that prove the existence of pathogenic viruses. Please do your own research instead of just blindly believe what you’re told by others.

  3. Will says:


    Tinkerbelle Effect. (You’d better believe it!)

    Poor thing.

    What name, again?
    Didn’t they argue about what to call him?
    And wasn’t his middle name given after his Uncle,
    Cult of Vaccine?

    Milligan will be leaving a note, “I told you I was ill”.

  4. Paul says:

    “…and several other people
    I won’t mention at all.”

    “An old air conditioner was chugging…”

    “I looked around
    for the mind of God,
    but I couldn’t find it.



    I AM ever interested…
    Sustained, by my own
    I’m buying it.

    May It & They,
    Flicker & dissolve away.

    And we can get down to the business of actually Living.

    Paint… & skate on…Jon.
    Thank you.

    “It’s a numbers game.”

    E = mcc

    men broke down
    the door to my room.
    They stormed in
    with weapons drawn.
    They were wearing
    heavy body armor.
    I looked around.
    The “virus”
    had fled the scene.

    “What are you doing here?”
    one of the men said.
    “We’ve had reports
    of a disturbance.”

    “Haven’t you been paying attention?”

    Said my name
    is called disturbance…

  5. Deanna Johnston Clark says:

    Very amusing….what do you think of the long time phone affair between Fauci and Zuckerberg discussing how to pamper their germ and protect it from doubts and scientific examinations?

    Cats are being released from their bags all over the place…who is untying them?

    • miker says:

      “Cats…from their bags…who is untying them?”
      St. Augustine (I think), called this “The cunning of reason”
      The truth always wins!
      Thanks to all of you awesome truth-loving thinkers!

      • bob klinck says:

        Hegel, not St. Augustine. Hegel’s idea does not seem to be as E. Michael Jones has repeatedly described it. Do some research. It’s an example of dialectical analysis.

  6. Elije says:

    But But But….the people in the hospitals, the people that died, the ones who had it and their stories….. It’s as if its all in another universe apart, until the new policies and proclamations are in our face.

  7. Paul says:


    Lace up.

    Roman Mercury served as Mediator: betwixt the gods/mortals.
    His winged feet gave him flight.
    He is the Patron of Circulation:
    of people;
    & messages.

    Greek Hermes bears winged sandals.
    He uses staff
    to cast spells on the gods, or
    to wake up those people
    who were subdued,
    by the gods of sleep:
    Greek Hypnos & Roman Somnus.

    “Today it`s in the air
    you must feel it my friend

    You`ve got nothing to loose
    but a whole lot to win”

    Paint your Arrow
    Toward the winged-winds.
    Direct it…
    From your marrow.


    The Ad Men of the U.S.
    assault with video images.
    The picture(s) presented…
    IS/ARE NOT, the Meaning.

    Think bigger, than that.
    Think past Their initial assault.

    “Singin` uh ah,
    singin` lalalala…”

    ~ Lyricists:
    Teijo Agelii-leskela & Marina Ljung

  8. Luther Norman says:

    I hope you can take time to go through this well well planned interview with the virus that has affected your lives so much over the past year. Let’s do an in-depth pursuit of the truth at the heart of the matter.

  9. Opie Poik says:

    Coronavagueness: The Movie. The last word in predictive programming, where Scriptwriters-R-Us. The masses.

  10. Eluard says:

    Rappoport taking it up several notches into the rarefied air. Dovetailing with his other word journeys through the miasmic opaque worlds of viruses and the minds that concretize them. Here’s a banquet for US, of thought and reflection.

    Regarding Fauci as “true believer,” I wonder about that. The virus answered that very quickly. Perhaps he is, at this point, perhaps he’s so compartmentalized reality he no longer knows the game he’s in. Like the Vonnegut book Mother Night. I suggest you guys read that one, very much related to this piece.

    Minds, thoughts, prayers, visioning, are very powerful. Let’s use our powerful beings as well as we can. Create our own collective stories.

  11. Haniel Adhar says:

    I ain’t afraid of no virus

  12. will iam says:

    Hey Jon your sense of humor is appreciated and certainly needed!!

    By now your countless articles and reporting have totally exposed and discredited these charlatans and various losers so there is not much more needed to say. The dilemma now is what is still required to have them go away… Great god almighty just “GO AWAY”!

    That is where humor can work as a sword.

    I like to say that all one ever needed to maneuver around this place one learned at a young age in the sandbox and since all of us seem to be in the same sandbox threatened by a bully, the scamdemic, the only thing left to do is to pull the bullies pants down so the rest of those in the sandbox can discover the true coward hidden behind the façade.

    With your funny stories you are pulling on the bullies pants because i think i am beginning to see the whites of its undies, and inconveniently those seem to have troubling signs of skid marks!

  13. miker says:

    Jon, It may read as a contradiction but… I want to thank you for making the fictional virus more real! By artistically injecting a personality into “SARS”
    like Elmers glue (sorry couldn’t resist), one can discern all of the many scattered pieces of mainstream propaganda in place like one big completed puzzle landscape.

    We’re seeing these “sticky” truths more gloriously revealed daily now, and
    your work is a real contribution to the overall momentum of the unstoppable-truth regardless of our perceptions at any one moment in time. You’re a gift; “We’re not people having a spiritual-experience; we are spirits having a human experience…”

  14. Roundball Shaman says:

    The Virus speaks

    “Finally, it hit me. I was an idea inside a collective.. I’m an idea sustained by a few billion minds… Being remembered isn’t enough. I have to be believed in, month after month, year after year, decade after decade.”

    Ideas by themselves are nothing. It is precious human energy that gives ideas life and vitality. Good ideas, and bad ones. The question becomes… does an Idea serve the human being? Or does the human being serve the Idea? And do some bad ideas serve some bad human beings?

    “Have you considered starting a religion?”

    The Virus is the biggest religion going today. People today believe in more in The Wholly Unholy Virus than they believe in The One True God. God is so… yesterday. And in today’s Worldwide Wokedom Village, everything old is BAD and must be CANCELLED. So we needed a new god. And thankfully, we conjured one up… The Wholly Unholy Virus.

    “As I drove out of the city, I saw a ghostly figure take shape out in the desert. It hung in the air over the scrub and the cactus. Its voice whispered in my ear: ‘Publish our conversation.’”

    ‘And then it hit me. IT WAS I that had conjured the ghostly figure out in the desert, just like those that came before me had conjured The Virus. I had conjured The Desert as well. And then came the biggest one of all… I WAS CONJURING MYSELF, too. And I had also conjured all those who had conjured The Virus.

    And then I remembered all those who had told me ‘Life Is But A Dream’. And I wondered if the day would come when someone would finally decide to wake up from This Bad Virus Dream. And I wondered if that someone would someday be ME.

  15. Timbo says:

    What’s the deal with Alex Jones? He believes the virus is real and escaped from the Wuhan Lab, is he just pushing more disinfo for the conservative market? Just as bad as the MSM? I’m confused.

    • Rick in Phoenix says:

      It WOULD be fun to see Alex interview Jon, fer shur. I think AJ is pushing the same line as everyone in LOCKSTEP… It’s amazing to watch.

    • Alan says:

      In the world of objective science, there is always only one truth. (Though I’m some cases, we might be yet unable to discern it.) Here, the truth is that the virus does not exist.

      So people who claim that the virus does not exist are telling the truth, and people who claim that it exists, of whatever origin or viciousness, are not. Truth and falsehood depends only on /what/ is being said – not /who/ is saying it.

  16. lamberth says:

    Absolutely 𝗯𝗿𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗮𝗻𝘁 Jon!

    You’ve described this whole ‘virus’ exactly as it ‘appears’.
    Purely in people’s mind, not in the physical sense.

    Created in a lab in Wuhan?
    Yeah right, only in your imagination.
    Yeah right, only in your imagination.

    It’s a PsyOP, from start to finish.
    Turn the TV off and ignore the ‘news’ papers, and the virus vanishes into thin air out of which it was artificially & psychologically created.

    Lies & spin by global governments, international ‘health’ agencies and the main-stream media 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗪𝘂𝗵𝗮𝗻 𝗹𝗮𝗯.
    No dis-respect to – or finger-pointing at – the Chinese at all, they have been suckered into this PsyOp just like any other nation.

    • lamberth says:

      Should have added:
      + BigPharma corporations 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗪𝘂𝗵𝗮𝗻 𝗹𝗮𝗯.

  17. Béla Bartók says:

    A masochistic superstition.

  18. Fanny Adams says:

    “An idea in the mind of God” reminds me how the Catholic church took off…an idea that implanted itself into the minds of the collective..and forever hold your peace..

    If Fauci is the latterday Constantine we have a long wait for this Psyop to end…

  19. Gordon D Browning says:

    I have investigated the coronavirus sense just after the closing of the Businesses and closing the schools. An M.D. Kelly Victory that has worked with Coronaviruses for more than 20 years came on YouTube and explained to those that would listen, that the Coronavirus can’t take the heat over 72 degrees Fahrenheit. So, all the lives that were lost from the Pandemic wasn’t as high as was reported on the Media. The Media was Paid BIG BUCKS to lie to the people. So, the Wuhan Virus died in March of 2020. The Democrats and the Billionaires, like: Bill Gates, George Soros, and Antony Fausi and other Democrats made sure the People around the World would follow the Faults News Medea. Heading for One World Order!!!

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