The Chinese virus, HIV, and a stranger on a train

by Jon Rappoport

February 4, 2020

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In my research on so-called epidemics and viruses over the last 30 years, I’ve examined a point very few people want to think about.

Does the virus being promoted actually exist?

It might seem absurd to ask that. “Well, of course it exists. Why else would experts be saying it’s causing disease and death? Why else are they developing a vaccine?”

I don’t buy that reply at face value. Never have, never will.

Let me illustrate with a short tale. —Word goes out to an elite intelligence agency that a stranger on a train is a spy, and he is dangerous. He must be captured. The Agency sends a few people to board the train.

Who is the spy? What does he look like? Unknown. The agents move from car to car looking at passengers. From “past experience” in profiling suspects, they decide their target is probably a man in sleeping car 100. They knock on his door. He opens it. They place him under arrest.

The next thing the Agency knows, a week later, the ops director says, “Boys, he was the one, we have our man. He was planning to blow up bridges. Great work.”

Evidence of guilt? Proof? Was the initial story about a spy on a train even true? Answers unknown. But who cares? The job is done.

With a purported new epidemic disease, how do researchers find the man on the train? What method do they use to isolate a unique virus that is present in the bodies of people who are sick?

Various experts will offer various answers. In a moment, I’ll present an interview with a researcher who proposes a method. To sum up this method in simplistic terms: you remove a tissue sample from a person suspected of carrying a virus. Taking a tiny piece of that sample, you place it into a sugar solution and spin it in a centrifuge at high speed. The solution settles out, according to layers of density and weight. You presumably know, from past experience, which layer will contain particles of virus (if they are there). From that layer, you remove a small sample. You look at it under an electron microscope. You photograph what you see. If you’ve found a virus, you should be able to observe many copies of it in the photo. From analyzing these copies, you should be able to tell what kind of virus you’ve found. This is a very rough description of the process.

To announce to the world that you’ve found a virus that’s causing a rapidly spreading and dangerous epidemic, you should be sure of your work. You should have performed the above process on MANY, MANY supposed human carriers of the virus, and you should have obtained the same result in the overwhelming percentage of cases. And independent researchers should be able to replicate your work.

In the Chinese epidemic, and in other past epidemics, I’ve seen no evidence that this process of isolation was employed on many, many patients with the same result—much less the independent confirmation.

Therefore, the whole inquiry and research are in doubt. Simply announcing to the world that “the virus has been found” means nothing.

All right. Here are excerpts from an interview. It gets somewhat technical. It was conducted by a brilliant independent journalist, Christine Johnson. The interviewee is Dr. Eleni Papadopulos, “a biophysicist and leader of a group of HIV/AIDS scientists from Perth in Western Australia. Over the past decade and more she and her colleagues have published many scientific papers questioning the HIV/AIDS hypothesis…”

CJ: Does HIV cause AIDS?

EP: There is no proof that HIV causes AIDS.

CJ: Why not?

EP: For many reasons, but most importantly, because there is no proof that HIV exists.


CJ: Didn’t Luc Montagnier and Robert Gallo [purportedly the co-discoverers of HIV] isolate HIV back in the early eighties?

EP: No. In the papers published in Science by those two research groups, there is no proof of the isolation of a retrovirus from AIDS patients. [HIV is said to be a retrovirus.]

CJ: They say they did isolate a virus.

EP: Our interpretation of the data differs. To prove the existence of a virus you need to do three things. First, culture cells and find a particle you think might be a virus. Obviously, at the very least, that particle should look like a virus. Second, you have to devise a method to get that particle on its own so you can take it to pieces and analyze precisely what makes it up. Then you need to prove the particle can make faithful copies of itself. In other words, that it can replicate.

CJ: Can’t you just look down a microscope and say there’s a virus in the cultures?

EP: No, you can’t. Not all particles that look like viruses are viruses.


CJ: My understanding is that high-speed centrifugation is used to produce samples consisting exclusively of objects having the same density, a so-called “density-purified sample.” Electron microscopy is used to see if these density-purified samples consist of objects which all have the same appearance — in which case the sample is an isolate — and if this appearance matches that of a retrovirus, in terms of size, shape, and so forth. If all this is true, then you are three steps into the procedure for obtaining a retroviral isolate. (1) You have an isolate, and the isolate consists of objects with the same (2) density and (3) appearance of a retrovirus. Then you have to examine this isolate further, to see if the objects in it contain reverse transcriptase [an enzyme] and will replicate when placed in new cultures. Only then can you rightfully declare that you have obtained a retroviral isolate.

EP: Exactly. It was discovered that retroviral particles have a physical property which enables them to be separated from other material in cell cultures. That property is their buoyancy, or density, and this was utilized to purify the particles by a process called density gradient centrifugation.

The technology is complicated, but the concept is extremely simple. You prepare a test tube containing a solution of sucrose, ordinary table sugar, made so the solution is light at the top but gradually becomes heavier, or more dense, towards the bottom. Meanwhile, you grow whatever cells you think may contain your retrovirus. If you’re right, retroviral particles will be released from the cells and pass into the culture fluids. When you think everything is ready, you decant a specimen of culture fluids and gently place a drop on top of the sugar solution. Then you spin the test tube at extremely high speeds. This generates tremendous forces, and particles present in that drop of fluid are forced through the sugar solution until they reach a point where their buoyancy prevents them from penetrating any further. In other words, they drift down the density gradient until they reach a spot where their own density is the same as that region of the sugar solution. When they get there they stop, all together. To use virological jargon, that’s where they band. Retroviruses band at a characteristic point. In sucrose solutions they band at a point where the density is 1.16 gm/ml.

That band can then be selectively extracted and photographed with an electron microscope. The picture is called an electron micrograph, or EM. The electron microscope enables particles the size of retroviruses to be seen, and to be characterized by their appearance.

CJ: So, examination with the electron microscope tells you what fish you’ve caught?

EP: Not only that. It’s the only way to know if you’ve caught a fish. Or anything at all.

CJ: Did Montagnier and Gallo do this?

EP: This is one of the many problems. Montagnier and Gallo did use density gradient banding, but for some unknown reason they did not publish any Ems [electron microscope photos] of the material at 1.16 gm/ml…this is quite puzzling because in 1973 the Pasteur Institute hosted a meeting attended by scientists, some of whom are now amongst the leading HIV experts. At that meeting the method of retroviral isolation was thoroughly discussed, and photographing the 1.16 band of the density gradient was considered absolutely essential.

CJ: But Montagnier and Gallo did publish photographs of virus particles.

EP: No. Montagnier and Gallo published electron micrographs [EMs] of culture fluids that had not been centrifuged, or even separated from the culture cells, for that matter. These EMs contained, in addition to many other things, including the culture cells and other things that clearly are not retroviruses, a few particles which Montagnier and Gallo claimed are retroviruses, and which all belonged to the same retroviral species, now called HIV. But photographs of unpurified particles don’t prove that those particles are viruses. The existence of HIV was not established by Montagnier and Gallo — or anyone since — using the method presented at the 1973 meeting.

CJ: And what was that method?

EP: All the steps I have just told you. The only scientific method that exists. Culture cells, find a particle, isolate the particle, take it to pieces, find out what’s inside, and then prove those particles are able to make more of the same with the same constituents when they’re added to a culture of uninfected cells.

CJ: So before AIDS came along there was a well-tried method for proving the existence of a retrovirus, but Montagnier and Gallo did not follow this method?

EP: They used some of the techniques, but they did not undertake every step including proving what particles, if any, are in the 1.16 gm/ml band of the density gradient, the density that defines retroviral particles.

CJ: But what about their pictures?

EP: Montagnier’s and Gallo’s electron micrographs…are of entire cell cultures, or of unpurified fluids from cultures…

(end of interview excerpt)

If you grasp the essentials of this discussion, you’ll see there is every reason to question the existence of HIV, because the methods for proving its existence were not followed.

Therefore, more questions emerge. How many other viruses have been named as causes of disease, when in fact those viruses have never been isolated or proved to exist?

Of course, conventional-consensus researchers and doctors will scoff at any attempt to raise these issues. For them, “the science is settled.” Meaning: they don’t want to think. They don’t want to stir the waters.

I want to be clear about what I’m asserting here. There are very serious questions about whether a variety of viruses have ever been isolated, proven to exist, and proven to be causing disease. An OPEN, lengthy, ongoing, published debate needs to be undertaken among researchers—including independent researchers.

These vital issues should never be concealed behind closed elite doors.

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The author of three explosive collections, THE MATRIX REVEALED, EXIT FROM THE MATRIX, and POWER OUTSIDE THE MATRIX, Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. He maintains a consulting practice for private clients, the purpose of which is the expansion of personal creative power. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world. You can sign up for his free NoMoreFakeNews emails here or his free OutsideTheRealityMachine emails here.

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36 comments on “The Chinese virus, HIV, and a stranger on a train

  1. Not-a-Number says:

    But if people who are sick are tested negative for bacteria, what is making them sick then?

    • Jeanne Hensley says:

      It could be any number of things and could be something done intentionally or something that has occurred naturally. People, especially weakened or stressed immune systems, get sick. So many illnesses have the same or very similar symptoms. Just like the CDC calls cases “flu”, in reality very, very few are actually flu. Never, ever believe the stories about epidemics, pandemics and suddenly appearing viruses. There is always a hidden agenda.

      • Rick says:

        I’ll have to re-read Albert Camus’ “The Plague” again… as well as “Masque of the Red Death” by Edgar Allen Poe… in light of this.

    • Martin says:

      Have you heard about microbiome?

    • marlene says:

      “Source of Novel Coronavirus Remains Unknown. Season of Fear & National Budgeting Go Hand in Hand. Moratorium on SARS/MERS Experiments Lifted in 2017. The ban came on the heels of “high-profile lab mishaps” at the CDC & “extremely controversial flu experiments” in which the bird flu virus was engineered to become more lethal & contagious between ferrets. The goal was to see if it could mutate & become more lethal & contagious between humans, causing future pandemics. Wuhan Is Home to Lab Studying World’s Deadliest Pathogens.”

      • Rick says:

        Right you are. However, it’s a bit more complicated, I’ve discovered.

        There are two categories of illness.
        a) 5G caused.
        b) Non-5G caused.

        In the attempt to launch 5G, we got Wuhan, Milan and the cruise ship illnesses. To avoid pointing to 5G, they labelled it corona.

        In the attempted cover-up of the 5G disaster, they gave us a variety of non-5G related illnesses and relabelled them corona.

        So now, in the illness basket, we have some 5G related, and some non-5G related.

    • Theo Lee says:

      Wuhan is the epicenter for 5g implementation in China. 5g wireless technology isn’t being well researched either. The is a very good chance that what is happening there is a result of a combination of a weakened immune system response to the introduction of 5g technology, and standard rhinovirus becoming difficult to control by that weakened immune response. In the presence of 5g microwave technology, 24/7/365, a common cold could easily be a death sentence.

  2. Steve says:

    Antigen Testing:

    With everything you just wrote … makes one wonder how is it possible to test for AIDS? Short answer, you don’t. It’s all Bravo Sierra. Fake, bogus antigen tests are used for AIDS and other ethereal bogie men … flu flavor-of-the day, SARS, etc. All based on claimed antigen reactivity to a very small piece of the supposedly isolated virus, making the specificity of the test laughably useless.

    Lack of Specificity:

    Borrowing from someone else’s analogy – Pretend you have a plaster bust of a known homicidal maniac. Then throw this bust onto the floor and shatter it into several pieces. Grab one of these fragments, say a small piece that formerly represented some part of a cheek in the original bust. Next, use this piece as a basis to test for homicidal maniacal tendencies in other people. If any part of someone’s head matches that cheek profile, then that person tests positive for and must be diagnosed as a homicidal maniac. Not a perfect analogy, but the logic is the same, e.g. the lack of specificity invalidates the test.

    Isolated Virus:

    Even if a “scientist” isolates a virus, that is still a long way from proving it to be the etiological agent or cause of disease/infection. Look up Koch’s Postulates. Sure, there are some exceptions to these postulates, but it outlines the type of thoroughness required to adequately demonstrate etiology. As far as I can determine, this has not been done with AIDS, any “flu”, and certainly not with the media hyped corona virus.

  3. Wanda Ballard says:

    “HIV/AIDS” Jon Rappoport. Don’t you just CRINGE when you see that? I know I do. After your HONEST and CORRECT, book. “AIDS Ink, The Scandal OF THE Century” And an HONEST and CARING Doctor. (of which, in my opinion, there are few.) Robert B Strecker, M.D. agreed that “AIDS” is a man made Disease.

    Actually caused by the “Cocktails” of Drugs (AZT & etc.) given to people who supposedly have “HIV” Which is NOT the CAUSE of “AIDS.” This is my understanding of it. I was lucky to go to Seminars of both, Jon Rappoport and Dr. Strecker in person, telling the TRUTH about “AIDS” around 30 yrs. ago. While people all over the world, were SCARED, to touch anyone who might have
    “AIDS” or touch blood, or to even have Sex. Geez, the Prostitution Industry, must have fallen Miserably. No wonder so many people went on Food Stamps. “Just Kidding” “AIDS” is a serious subject. However, With so much wrong in the world…we need a little chuckle once in a while. Sadly, so many just waiting for the Vaccine to be created to “PREVENT” (Never Happen) all these MADE UP, Man Made, Viruses. People are so conditioned to believe the LIE”S that the so called, “EXPERTS” tell them. Vaccines, are one of the worst Poisons man has ever conjured up. Just Say NO. to “The Vaccine Terrorists of The Medical Mafia”

    • el gallinazo says:

      AIDS was an honest medical label: Acquired Immuno Deficiency Syndrome, where a syndrome is a collection of illness symptoms which seem to be connected with each other and which **may** have a common cause. I go along with the late, lamented Liam Scheff in his “Official Stories” that it was originally caused by the gay, 1980s life style in NYC and SF, ie sex with 50 different partners a week, massive use of antibiotics, and other practices, which resulted in the inevitable collapse of their immune system. Then when the HIV RNA retrovirus hoax became gospel, massive does of AZT resulted in an inevitable death sentence in less than a year.

  4. The Watchman says:

    Whether or not the virus exist is an important thing to look at, but regardless of that fact, this is all playing well into the globalist playbook. For one thing it creates fear, creates the scenario for forced vaccinations and then who knows what you’ll get. Also, there are still a few looking into the bio-weapon scenario of this, and whether or not you buy that, it is a way of population control, which we all know the globalists want. Linked your article as usual@
    and a few on the bio-weapon scenario as well, as I would like people to check all the angles.

    • el gallinazo says:

      The question is not whether our Overlords can find a Lee Harvey Oswald or Osama bin Laden virus patsy to blame some fake viral epidemic on. The question is whether the illness is a fake construction of the MSM media, and if by some odd chance actually not, does the patsy virus really cause the disease. In the late 1980’s, the foremost expert on RNA retroviruses was Peter Duesberg, a full profession at UC. After he came out and said there is no way that this virus labeled HIV caused AIDS, he was converted to a Zombie professor. They couldn’t fire him because he had tenure.

  5. ScuzzaMan says:

    In earlier centuries the Church had this position;

    don’t presume that you can read the bible for yourself, or know what it means. You’re too ignorant and stupid to do this for yourself. You need us to do it for you. We will tell you what anything means, what you should believe about it, and therefore what you should do. You will just do what we say.

    (OK, to be fair, most churches still have this position.)

    In those days religion and science were essentially the same thing, and to the degree they might differ the natural philosophers kept their heretical notions largely to themselves. Religion sat firmly in the driver’s seat and science was a mere passenger.

    When this scam stopped working in the realm of religion the scam moved to the realm of science, or from the Church to the Academy. Now the scientists are at the wheel and the high priests of epidemiology tell us all that we can’t understand this stuff for ourselves, or know what it means. We’re too ignorant and stupid to do this for ourselves. We need them to do it for us. They will tell us what is real, what it means, and what to do about it. We will just do what they say.

    And one day soon now the Academy and the Church are going to re-combine – note their recent agreements on climate change (scam) and work/life balance (scam) – and then they will use their agreement as proof that they are right and all dissent is heretical and criminal, therefore punishable by law.

    It is inevitable.

  6. From Quebec says:

    Interesting article on Infowars today:


    • Rick says:

      Which whiskey? I’ve been eyeing a bottle of Black Johnny Walker for $39.00 lately. Wouldn’t that be a great thing to have come true? …to be able to say– yeah– my immune system kicked into gear with a bottle of scotch whiskey? Scotty on Star Trek would be mighty proud.

  7. middleway says:

    This is one aspect of the China pandemic that puzzles me and no one has yet fully addressed. I am very well acquainted with the fact that the Chinese are capable of constructing amazing building complexes quickly, but…
    In response to the Wuhan pandemic the Chinese government is constructing two massive hospitals from the ground up in ten days. I am a retired civil engineer (P.E.) with over forty years of large project experience. Several serious questions come to mind:
    1. How would you quickly staff and manage two hospitals of this size?
    2. How did they survey, design and construct these massive complexes within a month of the pandemic outbreak?
    3. How were they able to have the buildings designed and pre-assembled on such short notice?
    4. How did they manage to have an adequate utilities infrastructure in place to handle such a massive increase in systems demand?
    The size and scope of these hospitals are very similar to three state and federal prisons I did extensive work on, start to finish. The prisons were all pre-fab concrete construction of similar overall size and each took two and one-half to three years to survey, design, build and link to ‘expanded’ local utility infrastructures. Based on the size / scope and from experience with the construction process of very similar facilities, one disturbing problem becomes apparent: The design and construction of two massive hospital complexes of this size in such a short time frame is impossible. It appears they may have had the sites pre-selected, pre-designed and expanded utilities already completed with the prefabricated structures completed and stockpiled. With all factors and variables considered,… this superhuman appearing Chinese feat also possesses the unavoidable and distinct hallmarks of a very high degree of “Event Foreknowledge”.
    Another aspect that is puzzling: Since most of the windows in these new hospitals appear to have bars, are these massive facilities really ‘hospitals’ or are they ‘quarantine detention camps’ (ref: FEMA) staffed by military personnel with marginal medical training?

    • P.O. says:

      Don’t believe everything the Chinese government states. Everything you heard, seen or read about in regard to those hospitals & complexes is a lie. All of the photos that you’ve seen are unrelated buildings and stock photos from different sites. Some extra info can be obtained here:

      As mentioned in the Youtube video linked above, if you look at any actual livestream of the ongoing construction of these hospitals, you’ll see nothing is ready yet. And even if they manage the finish quickly the quality of the construction will be far far far far from superior.

    • Sam says:

      I suppose when you don’t leave in a PC, Liberal country, Governments can do what they want if they think it’s best for the their people and the world.

  8. stephen langley says:

    Great comments on another great reveal about a psyops on the people. Everything is a lie.

  9. Wanda Ballard says:

    Mr,or Ms, Middleway, My Opinion is, if you don’t mind? I think I can answer your questions. The Chinese, did not and could not do all you mention in a very short time. This was all planned over the yrs. by “those?” who want most of us to not be around much longer. With an exceptional few. In comparison to all who exist. I believe they have had the name, CORONA-“VIRUS,” the PLACE in CHINA, and the “VACCINE” already sitting on a shelf perhaps in a freezer or etc. for some time. I watched a u-tube of Bill Gates stating, that these vaccines will reduce the world population.
    Gates and his wife Melinda also “Donate” Millions of dollars to the creation of more Vaccines. I firmly believe, there are people out there who no longer want us to exist. Most of these Viruses are Man made. To take what we have then get rid of us, through their Poison Vaccines. They have already killed Thousands perhaps, Millions of Babies to Sudden Infant Death Syndrome caused by poison Vaccines. It is said in a vaccine package insert vaccines are the cause of these babies deaths.

  10. Rtp says:

    There is no question.

    A self-replicating pathogen (eg pathogenic virus) is a mathematical impossibility.

    Let me explain.

    Let’s say you have 100 pathogens and 100 immune cells. Let’s say this is currently in balance.

    But along comes one more pathogen and upsets this balance.

    So now you have 101 pathogens fighting the same number of immune cells. So the immune cells start to lose. This means that in the next period there will be more pathogens and less immune cells.

    This upsets the balance further. We have a *positive* feedback mechanism at work.

    There are no negative feedbacks.

    And therein lies the problem. In the absence of negative feedbacks, any perturbation in a dynamic system will always lead to zero or infinity. And there are no negative feedbacks in the germ theory. (As I showed above, any posited immune system would actually be a positive feedback). So if the germ theory were true, nobody could recover from any kind of “infection” – no organism could possibly exist.

    There is no way to resurrect the germ theory from this problem without positing some sort of discontinuity (which would render the germ theory as trivial).

    We can actually go further than this though. If most people recover from most diseases then the only sensible explanation for practically all diseases is that they are endogenous to the body (ie caused by the mind/central nervous system).

    • Elsa says:

      I am sorry for my ignorance, i so wish to understand this part Bechamp vs Pasteur and even more that what is the truth about viruses, exist, if yes what is their true role, but so far i failed.
      While i think i could follow your thoughts till a point please allow me to write something, we all have ‘good’ and ‘bad’ bacteria inside. I can ‘infect’ myself with good one (changing the balance in a good and stronger resistance direction). With an example. Bacteria behind stomach ulcer, they almost impossible to kill with antibiotics (tried, suffered for years) but good bacteria in Kefir killed them or surpassed them and ulcer healed. (3 weeks, 1 l / day and almost no other food) but point is that I “infected” myself.
      Again, sorry if i am too simple to understand and thank you.

      • Rtp says:

        There are no “good” or “bad” bacteria.

        Bacteria are there in the cleanup phase for when we are in healing. They break down no longer needed tissue. That is why we will often see them in “sick” organs but they are not the cause of the disease. As there is no evidence that “viruses” do anything much in relation to disease there is no need to comment on what they may or may not do.

        I note your mentioning of h pylori. The evidence that h pylori causes ulcers is as non-existent as the evidence that HIV causes AIDS. The “discoverers” of a link between bacteria and ulcers never actually got ulcers. They drank copious quantities of bacteria and posioned themselves and had sore stomachs for a few days. No ulcers. They claimed that these sore stomachs were early stages of ulcers – without a shred of evidence or logic to support such a claim.

        For that they won the Nobel Prize. Why? Well because convincing doctors that some germ is the cause of disease is the easiest thing in the world. Nobody will doubt you. Everybody believes they actually developed ulcers but you can verify for yourself that they didn’t.

        I can’t comment on your personal experience but I can say that h pylori is regularly found in people without ulcers and there are plenty of people with ulcers and no h pylori.

        Bacteria are ubiquitous. You have trillions of them on and in you right now. They cannot possibly be the cause of disease other than swallowing such huge quantities as to poison you.

        Of course you will say “but then why can antibiotics sometimes help?” They “help” by suppressing symptoms. The same as analgesics. They make the body believe it is being poisoned so the mind reverts back to a conflict stage rather than a healing stage.

        In the healing stage is where we typically have the worst symptoms so drugs that take us out of the healing phase, paradoxically, make us feel better but are of course terrible for us long term.

        This allows us to make sense of why people will go through course after course of the same antibiotics. Germ theory says that one course should be enough and after that, immunity. But what is actually happening is that our bodies are being taken out of healing and this healing phase will occur down the track once more until the healing is finalised. In the meantime of course, the antibiotics are doing further damage to our bodies.

        There is plenty more to say – for example my position explains the whole “antibiotics developing resistance” claim (they don’t – that is just an excuse for the fact that they don’t work the way we think they do).

        But in essence all you really have to think about is visiting a doctor office. How do people survive that if diseases are contagious? How do the doctors? And remember, people have been visiting doctors for thousands of years – long before vaccines, hand-washing etc.

        I have a mathematical proof above that the germ theory is a lie – that cannot be refuted. But the easiest way to understand that the germ theory is a lie is consider doctor offices.

        • Elsa says:

          Dear Rtp, thank you so much for your explanation!It helped a lot to me, I think that to do this the key part was that you feel worse in the healing phase.
          Ulcer – if anyone else would be interested in – again, you must be right. I developed it shortly after moving to a new country without knowing ‘basics’ like fluoridated tap water among others, ‘weird bread’ (probably ripen with the help of Round Up or similar) + was stressed and was tend to eat quickly, even one of these reasons could be enough and approximately the same time I started to use Kefir i changed other things like OS filtered water, and so.
          Again, many thanks for investing time to a detailed, easy to understand answer.

          • Rtp says:

            No dramas. I thought of something else to help you understand.

            People who regularly drink alcohol will need to drink more to get the same effect as those who don’t drink much. The body learns to cope with a greater level of poisoning before it starts its response.

            It’s the same with antibiotics. Those on their second or third round will need to take ever greater doses to get the same effects.

            But this makes no sense under germ theory. Under germ theory, the antibiotic is fighting off the same bacteria in the chronic abx user as the bacteria in the patient down the hall who has never used abx before. The bacteria is no more resistant regardless of the patient – but the patients clearly are.

            This tells us that symptom suppression following antibiotic use has absolutely nothing to do with the bacteria.

  11. William says:

    I read this interview years ago and have been convinced for decades that HIV does not exist as an exogenously acquired viral pathogen, that if it exists at all it as an endogenous retrovirus, which aren’t viruses at all, expressed in response to oxidative stress such as that resulting from malnutrition, drug abuse, or exposure to “antiviral” drugs. But many billions have been invested researching it, and of course promoting the HIV/AIDS nonsense. The only question is why and I have tentatively concluded that it is propaganda preparation for whatever infectious epidemic or epidemics, natural and/or engineered, will be coming down the pike in order to significantly reduce global population. The globalist elites have made no secret of their desire to do this and have written openly about it since at least the 1970’s. Now this coronavirus which superficially at least looks like a seasonal flu outbreak with relatively low mortality. But they are hyping it massively, and that makes me very uneasy

    • el gallinazo says:

      And they are talking about an “effective” vaccine in a year or so. Yet it’s been 35 years since they started working on an HIV/AIDS vaccine without any results. First of all, you can’t have a vaccine against a pathogen which is not the cause of a disease. Second, it’s more effective to poison segments of a population with DNA terminator drugs such as AZT. In the 1980’s and 1990’s they killed off people with positive results on their HIV antigen test in less than a year with AZT. Then they cut back the dosage just to make them feel sick.

  12. MD skeptic says:

    CV like HIV has all the hallmarks of a fraud. Fearful prognostication without careful investigation is plainly propaganda, as has been clearly explained on this website. HIV was alleged by authorities to be dormant yet infecting millions in the US at the turn of the millennium. It was poised to jump exponentially to the heterosexual, non-IV-drug abusing population and thus kill millions. It absolutely never happened and the credit was given to ART. A toxic lie.

  13. Arturas Bartasius says:

    Thank you people for your informative comments.

    I appreciate that.

    Hopefully, someday, we will help to rise Bechamp’s name again.

  14. Tim says:

    I didn’t see the name Kary Mullis above. Mullis pointed out the problem with the identification of viruses, by PCR. This is a key point: when you amplify very weak signals, without 100% accuracy, you get garbage.

    I think Jon has written about this before.

    • Tim says:

      Oops, mistake. The point was that very small amounts of nucleic acid material, (like contamination, or some dust flake)can be amplified and ‘detected’ even when there is no problem, no virus present. PCR is one of the new mysteries, by which controlled explanations, political, are put onto a hypnotized populace.

  15. Amanda says:

    Jon- Thanks again for all you are doing to get the truth out. I’m glad this article touched on HIV–I think that once people wake up to the HIV/AIDS fraud, then it’s easier to see through the rest of these fake epidemics and virus frauds. I drop links to your site all over the place.

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