Coronavirus: how a rational CDC scientist would think, if one existed

by Jon Rappoport

March 13, 2020

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In a recent article, I explained why the diagnostic test for the coronavirus in a patient is worthless and unreliable. The implications of that fact are enormous.

Here, I want to make further comments on fake science.

A rational researcher, at the CDC, if one existed, would say, upon hearing of a possible outbreak in the city of Wuhan: “Let’s see the proof that a new virus is responsible, is the causative agent.”

What kind of proof would he be asking for?

First, he would want to know, “Do researchers there have an actual biological specimen of this new virus? Do they have the real thing?”

And if the answer came back yes, he would reply, “We’re sending in one of our Wuhan people so he can confirm that.”

But how would the confirmation work? You can’t just lay a specimen of a virus on a table and shine a light on it. It’s far too small to see.

There is a traditional method of observation. It’s called an electron microscope photograph (an EM). Certain established procedures exist for obtaining an EM from a patient’s tissue sample. The CDC scientist would want to make sure the Chinese scientists had carried out this process correctly.

He would say, “Let’s have a look at the Chinese EM.” He wants to confirm there are many identical particles of the new virus in the EM. Let’s buck the odds and imagine he does confirm it. So far, so good.

But there is more. And here is where the rubber meets the road and the failure factor is very high. I need to back up a bit to explain.

When a clinical trial of a new drug is done (and here I’ll make a gigantic leap and assume it’s done correctly), is it carried out on one patient?

Is the result of giving the drug to a single patient then extrapolated to mean everyone will react the way this one person did? Of course not. That would be absurd. In a clinical trial, sooner or later, researchers are dealing with a large number of volunteers. A thousand or more.

So, in the case of a new coronavirus, in China, the rational CDC scientist would say: “I want to see electron microscope photographs derived from five hundred patients who have been provisionally diagnosed with the new disease.”

I myself ask, where are these photographs? Where are the completely necessary photographs? Because the Chinese scientist would tell his CDC counterpart, “Oh, we didn’t carry out the EM procedure on five hundred patients. We carried it out on one. Two. Maybe three. I’m not sure.”

At which point, this fantasy rational CDC scientist would blow his stack. He would say, “You’re declaring a new epidemic based on two or three photographs from two or three patients??”

Of course, I would need rock solid proof that, at the CDC, there is a rational scientist who would ask for EM pictures from five hundred patients, and explode if he couldn’t find them because they were never done. Show me such a rational CDC scientist. Bring him forward. I want to interview him. I want to find out how he feels being ostracized by every other scientist at the CDC.

Consider this likely scenario—which explains why researchers only did the EMs on two or three of the patients. If someone actually performed the electron microscope work on 500 patients diagnosed with the new disease, he would find some indication, in the photographs, of a coronavirus in maybe nine patients.

At which point, in Wuhan, they would shrug and say, “Well, wow, that didn’t work out. What a flop. Our hypothesis of a new disease based on a new coronavirus collapsed. We should have been able to see lots of the virus in the photos from ALL 500 patients, or at least the overwhelming percentage of the 500. And we didn’t. Back to the drawing board. Let’s see. What’s the primary sign of the new disease? Pneumonia? Come to think of it, about 300,000 people in China die of pneumonia every year. How about we look at some studies on the air quality here in Wuhan? I think my colleague down the block has a pile of them. Let’s walk over there. Anybody have a searchlight so we can see the street through the fog of pollution? Let me get my oxygen tank and breathing helmet.”

And that would be the end of that.

Back in Atlanta, the rational CDC scientist would say to his colleagues, “That Chinese outbreak wasn’t a virus. How about we spend the afternoon going through some of our own studies on vaccines? I know the fraud is rampant. Let’s get it out in the open.”

Sure. Happens every day over at the CDC.

Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe someone has done electron microscope photographs derived from 500 patients diagnosed with the new epidemic disease. LET’S SEE THE PHOTOS. SHOW THEM TO ME. We’ll have a few non-conflicted experts analyze them.

Otherwise, don’t talk about science. There is no science going on.

Talk about fakery. And liability. And prison.


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The author of three explosive collections, THE MATRIX REVEALED, EXIT FROM THE MATRIX, and POWER OUTSIDE THE MATRIX, Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. He maintains a consulting practice for private clients, the purpose of which is the expansion of personal creative power. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world. You can sign up for his free NoMoreFakeNews emails here or his free OutsideTheRealityMachine emails here.

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71 comments on “Coronavirus: how a rational CDC scientist would think, if one existed

  1. David says:

    Thanks for your articles, which have been enlightening. However, I’m starting to wonder, how to explain that in Italy, there’s so many supposed deaths from infected people and hospitals are apparently overwhelmed… if they weren’t overwhelmed and full before, and now they are… why is that?

    There have been some people from our country (Czech republic), who livei n Italy and who have been reporting on the situation over there… saying all about how crazy it is, how doctors and nurses are overworked and hospitals are full.

    So it makes me wonder, if there’s something else going on. Any ideas?

    • TJ says:

      I have heard that part of why Italy hospitals are so full is because people are going there with just regular flu/cold symptoms thinking they have coronavirus (and then of course are testing positive because that’s clearly how this works). Whereas in the US for example, even with the flu, which the CDC alleges is very deadly, no one goes to the hospital until their health is in a dire state.

      Doesn’t explain the high death rate, so there’s obviously something else going on too. High rates of deadly pneumonia are obviously happening but from what?

      • From Quebec says:

        I would also add that when they come in with just the regular flu cold, that they end up with the so called corona virus ( If it really exist), because hospitals are the perfect places to to get all sort of viruses

        • stephen langley says:

          Spot on ! And what are the so called coronavirus patients being treated with… more chemical poisons they call ‘medicine’? Toxemia is the matrix in which all ‘diseases’ proliferate. The body naturally neutralizes bacteria, virus, etc. when in its natural state of health, i.e., clean air, water, food, natural light and a healthy state of mind… and no toxins. Nevertheless, the virus may have been designed to get worse with conventional ‘medicine’ (chemical poisons) currently being used for similar symptoms (cold/flu)?? Conjecture, but put nothing past these fiends. This operation has been well laid over decades of psychological conditioning. Military protocols call for the complete deployment of psychological operations before any campaign is launched… it’s all about acquiescence via mind control.

          And who knows if Italy hasn’t been purposely subjected to other toxic factors to work synergistically with the bio-engineered ‘virus’ and/or to give the appearance of pandemic mutation or whatever bravo sierra they fling at us. After all, this is a major operation by the corrupt power structure.

    • patriot says:

      multiple bioweapons pushed in covert operations by the alphabet agencies and the UN?
      Seems fishy all of a sudden.

    • blob says:

      Italy is probably just like other countries nearby, in one of which I live, that already was operating at full capacities before this “epidemic” occured. I was in the emergency infectious disease clinic here in early December and patients were lying in the hallways, the place was overflowing. And what did most of the patients have? You guessed it – pneumonia!

      It’s really simple to make hospitals overflow right now by declaring a panic state, I think… actually it’s what is happening in my own country in the last days, since the panic is escalating and more cases have been diagnosed “with corona”. It’s also easy to have more patients dead like that, since that many more people are treated with all sorts of nasty drugs in hopes of curing “a deadly viral disease”.

      Italy had many tens of thousands of people tested, so it found more cases than other European countries that didn’t test nearly as much. It might just be that simple.

      Quite hard to watch once you see through the charade.

      This book is excellent and explains a lot of things about so-called “viral diseases”: http://www.whale.to/c/Virus-Mania55tt66.pdf

      • Andrew says:

        Thanks, Blob, I’ve been looking for this PDF online (Virus Mania.) It’s funny that I found it here in these comments. Once again, many thanks.

    • Rick says:

      “Corona virus” is 5g microwave illness. Ground zero, Wuhan, turned on tens of thousands of 5G antennas. N. Italy is another recent intense 5G start up area. Here’s my favorite piece on that connection as of now…

      http://www.radiationdangers.com/5g/is-the-coronavirus-actually-microwave-illness/

      • Jim says:

        Agreed. Coronavirus is a relatively mild firm of flu, but it seems to be activated by 5G. Wuhan is probably world’s strongest 5G installation. Italy is Europe’s strongest ( also both places, especially northern Italy have Terrible Air Pollution ). Thirdly, the West Midlands in the UK is first UK installation of 5G, the Daily Telegraph reports it is worst Corona hotspot 😢🤮

    • jjtech says:

      A lot of ideas. How do you know ANY of this people who died actually died of the corona? People die all the time, everyday, everywhere. Especially old people. If you quarantine millions of people, lock them down, stress beyond comprehension, a lot of them will get really ill and some of them will die. 90% + of them at old age, with underlaying health conditions. Last time I looked Italy it was 357 people dead, 354 of them over 60% and most of them with health problems. They were already hanging by a thread. Now, cut them off feo medicine, imprison them at their homes, stress them and a lot of them will die.

      • Rick says:

        This is a really good point Jtech…. and it comes under the keyword “STATISTICS”.

        I recall this quip from years ago… “There are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics”. I think that was Mark Twain.

    • marlene says:

      Since the corona scare, migrants have entered Italy in record numbers and all of them with even mild cold or flu symptoms is being treated for the coronavirus. It’s overwhelmed the country in every area.

  2. David says:

    PS: As you said in previous articles, tests being done are probably unreliable and making number of cases bigger than they really are. But still, Italy has the highest number from all European countries so far… I guess we won’t know exactly what’s going on now, when there’s so many fake information mixed with some truth. And it might be a combination of many different things, who knows?

  3. Low Voltage says:

    Does this handwashing recommendation remind anyone else of taking your shoes off mandate at the airport for terrorism?

    • Eluard says:

      It does. The handwashing is part of the mind control/NLP Op. The physical act connects with the potential risk keeping us in fear, perpetually. That’s why the constant repetition. We need to remind each other — no fear. Peace, love, calm.

  4. James Cayon says:

    …..ACTUALLY, there’s a GOOD chance that THIS particular virus was facilitated by an experimental SARS vaccine administered to an unknown extent and Chinese population 5 years ago, 5G / higher terahertz-range wavelengths [militarily designed to, under certain conditions] a(nta)gonizing it, Jon – ascending trajectories of the technology’s rollout & coronavirus victims there, parallel each other CLOSELY – as you’re WELL aware…..CANNOT stress this ENOUGH: limiting exposures to ALL wireless devices / equipment, is being demonstrated to have a SIGNIFICANT bearing upon minimized symptom severity…..

  5. Already On The List says:

    All of you Corona virus pandemic deniers are going on a list. You will be rounded up at the appropriate time and ‘re-educated”. Winston, are you listening to me? …

    • Rick says:

      I always confuse George Orwell’s 1984 with Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World. But I think your quote is Orwell.

      I wonder if our assigned High School reading of those novels were motivated by an innocent attempt to forewarn us, as youths, or as a predictive programming class? Similarly, Soylent Green, another assignment.

      In any case, I was arguably traumatized by all those books. Too, arguably all “science fiction” could be said to have been “predictive programming”… especially the dystopian ones– which was most of them.

      • Aron says:

        I took a date to a stage play of 1984 (in 1984) when I was a young man. Very well done, but like the book, disturbing. The final scene with the rats is still strongly imprinted in my mind. The ending can be rewritten though. I ain’t going down without a fight. Evil will not prevail.

  6. za ka lu says:

    “…they finally really did it. You Maniacs!! You blew it up! Damn You! God Damn You all to Hell!!” astronaut George Taylor

    • Rick says:

      Charleton Heston. Planet of the Apes. 1968. I like CHeston’s quote when he was head of NRA too– “You can take my guns… when you pull them out of my cold dead fingers”.

  7. Steve Stars says:

    Jon,

    Last Sunday, (3/8) Chris Wallace from Fox News had Dr. Fauci on for an interview, and asked him the question about why the tests were slow to being distributed and conducted. Fauci said the problem with the CDC and current tests was a “technical glitch” (whatever that means).
    Fauci then went on to reassure Wallace and the audience that the new tests were coming out, and would be available where needed.

    We know that there was a problem with these RT/PCR tests at CDC, and this “technical glitch” needs to be investigated.
    The CDC often tries to avoid rubber-stamping any “half-baked disease theory,” but that is quickly trashed under demand from the Powers that Be politically.
    As you know, in the early 80’s the CDC recognized that AIDS was isolated in risk groups and deemed “non-infectious” as a syndrome. That all changed with Gallo’s “HIV” infectious virus lie, and CDC was forced to comply.
    I think your “rational CDC scientist(s)” do exist, but are silenced.

    • Thomas Milton says:

      They are rational at CDC. They are wringing their hand with glee over the billions that will be showered on them. Whether the disease is fake or not doesn’t matter. The $ is real.

      • Rick says:

        I think the $ you’re talking about… are the $8.3 B recently cited… as an alternative to the $11B requestd by Chuck Schumer… and the alternative to Trump’s original $2.5B.

        For the gematria followers, I noted that 8+3 = 11 and of course 11, then 2+5=7.

        11+11+7 = 29

        2+9 = 11.

        No matter what, we end up with 11. Sort of like the answer to everything in the universe in HitchHiker’s Guide.

  8. Linda Mel Sewell says:

    I was almost starting to think there was something to this “virus” till I learned just now that New Mexico has closed all it’s state parks from a friend who lives there. That’s ridiculous, this is a lock down of society, they want to see how much control they have. This is bullshit, don’t fall for this scam. Notice how all the protest that WERE happening aren’t. France, Hong Kong, China…..

  9. Sue says:

    Thanks Jon for being a rational and sane voice during this hysteria. They can’t even get their facts straight about the virus. First the incubation period was 14 days now it’s 27 LOL. Then supposedly the virus can survive on surfaces for 9 days now it’s 29 days and now you get it through your cell phone LOL. How can people not see the bs?

    • Rick says:

      People in general are not trained in even rudimentary gematria… I just noticed that the incubation period, 27 days, yields 2+7 = 9.

      The virus can survive for 9 days.

      9+9 = 18.

      1+8 = 9

      Later, the virus survives 29 days. 2+9 = 11.

      I’m not a gematria expert but I DO see some of the simpler examples.

  10. Rick says:

    Jon concluded his article above with “Talk about fakery. And liability. And prison.” I agree… it’s time to rollout OUR response… I found a GOOD one on Reddit by someone…

    HOW TO STOP 5G: Sue to FDA, FCChttps://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/search?q=flair_name%3A%22Premise%22&restrict_sr=1

  11. Bala Bala Das (Bruce Hatcher) says:

    If one existed ” no such luck though “. I wonder how much 5G and other things play into the scenario ?

  12. Stef says:

    I think it would be helpful to write article on your view on situation in Italy. Without that, all these things you are saying are just another conspiracy theory. You need arguments to explain situation from all angles…

  13. Redpill says:

    I must be reading things wrong in the media. Everyone who is being tested for the virus is testing POSITIVE. How can that be right? Miami Mayor reported tested positive, Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro tested positive, The Hanks tested positive, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s wife tested positive. I don’t know. Something seems VOODOO to me.

    • Thomas Milton says:

      It’s a feature, not a flaw. 😉

    • Aron says:

      Kind of raises the awareness and fear in people when the celebs and high-profiles are “infected”. As for Trudeau’s wife, well, IMO is just an excuse for Justin to self-isolate, avoid Question Period in the HOC, and prepare his canned responses for the next stage which may very well move Canada one step closer to full on socialism.

  14. Wanda Ballard says:

    Jon, I don’t believe there are any “Rational Scientist’s” at the CDC (Centers for Disease Causation & Perversion) And VERY Little Clinical “Research” is done. 99% of “research” is done on live Animals. Which they lie and claim they found results to extrapolate to Humans. That is impossible. ALL ANIMAL EXPERIMENTATION AND TESTING IS SCIENTIFIC FRAUD. We are ALL the VICTIMS.

    I believe Corona-Virus is derived from the last Flu and Pneumonia, Vaccines that people were coerced in taking. The CDC’s SETUP to CAUSE a new Virus. They named it CORONA-VIRUS.

    The main reason adults and NOT children are getting “Corona-Virus,” is because Adults were mainly, the ones getting the Flu and Pneumonia shots. The so called “Measles Outbreak” at Disneyland was mainly all children, NOT adults, getting the Measles Shots. It was said on the news, Only kids were getting the Measles at that time. This is my thinking on that. 2, and 2, Add’s up to LIE’S and More LIE’S from all who “work” at the (CDC).

  15. Eluard says:

    It just struck me that this could be their new ace up the sleeve, in lieu of “terror threats;” instead of amber alert bs we get a new virus threat–whoops! Need to lock down the cities…Stock up on food…sell your stocks, cheaply…Call your “doctors”… Old Wine, New Bottles.

  16. Bullwinkle says:

    A neighbor blocked off his driveway here in rural northern Idaho.
    I was warned to stay 20 away from them while they finished their work.
    Even the alternative media is capitalizing on this virus.

  17. Peter says:

    Canada’s Prime Minion – Trudeau the puppet is at work, making stupid decisions. Watch what will happen next after the flu season dies down. The not withstanding clause (you loose your rights) will kick in and mandatory vaccines will be implemented. No proof that the poison in the needle works but the sheep will line up out of fear. If you don’t take the poisonous needle, our brilliant government will be putting restrictions on you, for example not being able to travel, drivers licenses will not be renewed (you don’t have rights with a drivers license just a nice privilege to use the roads), not being able to go into public places unless you have proof of the big needle etc. This is what is coming down the pipe. This is one of the biggest black operations the government is supporting in the name of fear, greed, population control and money.

    • blue horizons says:

      “…if you don’t take the poison needle…”

      Peter, did you catch news out of B.C. that the Canadian government intends to take over a very well run and long established hospice to create a euthanasia center? The govt is ready to confiscate the private property. Here’s a good interview:

      youtube.com/watch?v=9hWrJRpcxeM  

      Suggests expectations of catastrophes. There’s also Deagle projections used by the US military that are predicting that by 2025 the US population will fall by 2/3 to ~100 M and Canada will lose about a third of is population.

    • Aron says:

      I hate everything about our government and forced vaccines would be at or near the top of the list. I dare the govt to go ahead with such a measure. It will be a line many Canadians will not cross and as such an opportunity to take back our nation.

  18. scott macneilage says:

    Health Emergency PSA:

    PLEASE NOTE that all normal civilian activities are suspended until further notice. While schools, workplaces, parks, stadiums and the like will be shuttered, know that our armed forces will continue with their ENDLESS WARS unabated. Our fighting men are immune to the VIRUS and are capable pressing the needs of our EMPIRE without a sneeze amongst them. Don’t ask how this is possible as that is a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY.

    Carry on and stay in bed.

    Your caring government.

  19. Thomas Milton says:

    AIDS is a fraud, and they tried the same thing with Hep C in the 80’s. Come to think of it, where did Hep C go? Seemed like everyone who went to Woodstock had it. Wish Kary Mullis was still around, he’d give them an earful.

  20. Tim says:

    And as would be expected, China is reporting almost no new ‘cases’. The virus peters out.

    Without propaganda, know one would even know about it. What AI is for. instant controlled propaganda

  21. From Quebec says:

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will isolate himself for 14 days after his wife, Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, tested positive for coronavirus.

    Canada’s leader is currently trying to run his country in self-isolation after his wife, Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, tested positive for coronavirus

    LOL, who are they kidding ?

    • Anabel says:

      It must be real if politicians and celebs say they have it :).
      And Isn’t it interesting how China quarantined and shut down their economy weeks AFTER the global spread and yet it petered out. its Hoaxy as.

  22. BDev says:

    Hello Jon – I have great respect for your work and your insights. Appreciate them very much, esp when you are analyzing how the pieces seem to fit together into the bigger picture of the What’s and Why’s of the global plan for ultimate centralization.
    Re: this article and your suggested need for EM proof… a friend of mine who is well-versed in viral ID and quantification techniques has written a short explanatory note to me about his POV. He works daily with this sort of thing in his career.
    Assuming he is correct (I have no reason to suspect he’s not), it would behoove you to understand a bit more about viral testing, so that your expertise is not immediately questioned or dismissed by others who are informed about this issue. Apparently, viral ID and quantification is fairly well understood and routinely used. As to whether or not the in-field immunoassay testing is being done correctly, or is being reported accurately are still valid and important questions.
    And of course, there are many other aspects and questions about what is going on behind the scenes with this whole pandemic business that are shaky.
    I include his note below:

    “The premise that we don’t know if someone is infected with a virus unless we see it in an electron microscope makes no sense. Electron micrographs of coronaviruses do exist, but it’s not necessary to require one for every person infected.

    “The point is, there are biological and chemical ways of characterizing viruses. While even a single cell is very complex, viruses are very simple. Incredibly simple. It’s part of what makes them such marvels of nature — yes nature. And in some cases what makes them so harmful to their hosts. I worked for years in grad school with certain viruses that infect bacteria. We weren’t studying their biology but rather using their biology as research tools to isolate and characterize the genes (bacterial in my case) we were studying. This was nothing special — thousands and thousands of researchers were doing this all the time. I never looked at one virus in an electron microscope, and never needed to. I could grow them up from a single, isolated viral particle into many millions so that I could see them in a petri dish, just like when we would grow a single, isolated bacterial cell into a visible colony. In the case of viruses they form a “plaque” or a hole in a sold layer or “lawn” of bacteria in the petri dish. The exact DNA sequence of the entire viral genome was known so I could cut it precisely with enzymes, insert the piece of bacterial DNA I was interested in into it, and then isolate the engineered virus again and determine the DNA sequence of the spliced region to confirm exactly the genetic contents of the newly engineered virus. No microscope was needed for me to know exactly what I had isolated.

    “In my prior company, we made influenza vaccines. Unlike a cellular chromosome, the influenza virus has only 8 genes. The exact DNA sequence of each gene is known. Thus, the exact amino acid of each protein, as well as the 3-D structure of each of those proteins, is also known. I handled the patents that covered the isolation, cloning, and genetic engineering of these genes. That process was then used to make new influenza strains that are used as vaccines and tested to see how effective they were or weren’t in people.

    “There are all sorts of ways of tracking these influenza virus, and other virus strains without looking at them in electron microscopes. The Rappoport article refers to serology assay and ELISAs (more generally, immunoassays which my current company makes), which are a couple examples of biological and chemical detection and characterization techniques. My current company makes tests, using specific antibodies as tools, that researchers use to detect and quantify the presence of viruses and the immune responses to vaccines. We can understand these things very well — without using electron microscopes.

    “When your blood is tested, they detect and quantify all sorts of things without seeing them. They didn’t need an electron microscope to measure the albumin in your blood.

    “I don’t understand the idea that infectious viral disease is not real. Viral disease makes perfect sense and is natural. If you want to tell me that people who are healthier and eat more healthily can withstand viral infections better, I see the sense in that. But I don’t believe in complete immunity based on health.

    “I also don’t think the idea that this coronavirus pandemic is just a ploy by the pharmaceutical and medical industry to financially profit makes sense. This would be a stupid way to do that. Vaccines actually aren’t big money makers, especially for something like a strain like this COVID-19, which likely will not be persistent. And this virus might die out before anyone has a chance to profit much or at all, which would make the WHO and CDC and many others in the drug and medical industry very happy. More importantly, as you can see from what’s happening to the stock market, if people stop traveling and shopping and going to work, as has happened in China and is spreading to Japan and might become more widespread, the economy is going to be absolutely pummeled, taking a big hit on everyone including companies involved in making vaccines and treatments and those that sell them tools to do their work. I can tell you, humanitarian issues aside, my company is far more concerned with an economic disaster that harms the rest of our business than we are with any opportunity for a new source of income from this thing. And if this thing really hits our area, we’ll make people stay home and not work before we’ll make them work to develop a test for COVID-19.”

    • Rick says:

      For readers here, note BDev writes “No microscope was needed for me to know exactly what I had isolated.”

      Wellll– that flies in the face of Koch’s Postulates…

      1) The germ or virus must be found in all cases of the disease.

      2) The germ or virus must be isolated from the host and grown in pure culture,

      3) The purified germ or virus when isolated must cause the disease again in another host.

      4) The germ or virus must then be isolable from the newly infected host. We are now back to problem 2!

      source:
      https://phoreveryoung.wordpress.com/2014/08
      /10/kochs-postulates-and-hiv-aids-hpv-hep-c-hantavirus-ebola-sars-west-nile-virus-and-many-more-phantom-viruses/

      BDev would have to reject Koch’s postulates… a very big step.

      • BDev says:

        Rick – My friend is talking about lab techniques for specific viral ID and quantification. You are talking about criterion for establishing infectious disease in a person. Though related, these are two different issues. I fully support the requirement that Koch’s Postulates be met to establish disease vector confirmation.
        The main reason I bring this up is Jon’s insistence on EM photos to prove existence of said virus. I/my friend points out that EM photos are not necessary using today’s genetic lab techniques.
        In the spirit of requiring solid confirmation every step of the way in this so-called corona pandemic, an actual assessment of the accuracy and reproducibility of today’s virus ID techniques would be needed. I don’t have info on how solid are these testing techniques.

        • adolfo rondo says:

          If they don’t look at viruses with EM now because it’s somehow outdated how do they know it looks like a crown? Is that the reason why we don’t see real pics of the virus ? LOL

      • adolfo rondo says:

        Only 8 genes but more than ten thousand nucleotides, baby.

    • adolfo rondo says:

      You don’t make money by selling vaccines? What a hoax!

      • BDev says:

        Agreed. I certainly do not agree with a number of things my friend has to say about the issue, but I do defer to his expertise where warranted.

  23. Elsa says:

    First: no one died but elderly. No pandemic worked like this. As long as I followed China’s cases or Lombardia’s, only the elderly died. Make no sense. Many children are weak to score, full with possible conditions like asthma, serious allergy.
    So for me the translation:
    1. They lie about statistic like to put every elderly death to pneumonia (so common especially if they are bed ridden),
    2. they found a way to kill elderly exclusivity.
    While I don’t have your brain or experience – how would I kill elderly population? Surely not with a virus (even assuming they exist) but so unpredictable, mutation and so on.I was ignorant about frequencies but recently realised that that’s the answer for my otherwise weird health problems. Like our house is from 50 meters or so from the tower giving every Gs except 5 (if at least we can believe this).
    I am sorry but human race, we, the average humans are loosing to them.
    Who wanna die in an obedient way? I surely not. If they can take away that little relaxation between two period of work I even forget that how that’s feel to sleep enough on my part no matter what we have to fight.
    So disgusting, such an unfair way – ok, naive enough – nevertheless, with such an ignorant, brain-washed society if we don’t pick up fight like sharing info and sharing it very quickly – we lost.

    • Anabel says:

      Yes the very limited early research studies done on 5G network said that it increases the bacteria colonies that cause pneumonia.
      The problem is the average human being is asleep. ( a conditioned mind/ego).

  24. futuret says:

    CONCERNING VIRUSES AND MORE:

    THIS IS JUST A TRIAL RUN TO SEE HOW THEY ONCE AGAIN CAN PUT MASSES OF PEOPLE INTO CAMPS. THERE SHALL BE MANY MORE LIKE THIS UNTIL THEY ROUND UP A GOOD NUMBER OF US IN ORDER TO ONCE AGAIN MASS MURDER HUMANITY. NEXT WE SHALL SEE ARMY AND UNITED NATION TRUCKS ON THE STREETS. MEANWHILE WE HAVE AN IDIOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR PRESIDENT, HE IS OFFERING SMALL BUSINESS WITH LOAN THAT HAVE SMALL INTEREST RATES FOR A TIME LIKE THIS, WITH OVER 500 BUSINESSES OF HIS OWN WORLDWIDE, THE BASICS HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND. DOES HE NOT KNOW, THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE A PROFIT, SO THAT YOU CAN PAY ANY LOAN, YOU CAN FIGURE HE WANTS US TO GO BROKE. WHY NOT OFFER THIS MONEY IN THE FORM OF GRANTS, THAT BUSINESSES DO NOT NEED TO PAY BACK. KEEP ALERT AS THEY DO MEAN HARM:

    https://444prophecynews.com/we-are-in-the-hour-of-the-end-and-there-is-no-turning-back-cryptic1

  25. MD skeptic says:

    Valid perspectives offered by BDev’s buddy. Viruses exist for sure. Virology is the evolving study of what exactly they may be, and what exactly is their role in the rest of biology. Molecular fingerprinting is one tool in the epidemiologists toolbox. The pitfalls and perils of sensitivity and specificity are legion as pointed out in material on this site and elsewhere. It would be nice (wouldn’t it) to have some EM corroboration of their pathogenetic role as well?

  26. Anabel says:

    The great virus hoax of 2020.
    When the market was crashed, economies ruined by govts imposing draconian restrictions.
    All in line with UN’s( global govt) 2030 NWO agenda maintaining mind control, creating poverty and depopulating. Immune systems are shut down with the release of stress hormones so reg flus will be harder to fight.
    https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/italian-government-study-99-their-coronavirus-fatalities-were-already-sick-half-dee

  27. A system of capitalism presumes sound money, not fiat money manipulated by a central bank. Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts and interest rates that are determined by savings, not credit creation by a central bank. — Ron Paul

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