Trump and Bernie on the same ticket; take the ride
The mass hallucination called 2-party politics in America
by Jon Rappoport
April 12, 2016
(New article up on Outside The Reality Machine. Click here to read it.)
Don’t lose your lunch or your cookies or your marbles. Follow this one to the end.
As Bernie throws charges at Hillary for vote-rigging to gain the nomination; as Hillary solidifies her prurient control of so-called super-delegates (Democrat insiders and hacks), thus overturning the force of Primary voting; as Trump, Cruz, and the Republican leadership heat up an internal war over delegates; as Colorado and other states reject the validity of Republican Primary voting; the hallucination that is 2-party politics in America is on the verge of cracking. And if the crack widens, the foul creatures who emerge will reveal an oozing Hell in broad daylight.
We’ve gone past crazy.
And since that’s so, anything goes. It’s important to understand “anything,” which is why I’m dreaming about an independent ticket of Bernie Sanders, fresh off his rigged loss to Hillary, and Trump, emerging from his stinging defeat at the hands of Republican Beelzebubs. The two enemies on the same side.
Bernie and The Donald. Donald and The Bernie. Can’t agree on much, but who cares. Burn the political house down. Walk away and start a new campaign for the White House.
Left populism plus right populism. Together.
A realistic winner in November, as long as they have a cold-blooded army of pros investigating the voting machines.
Bernie: “I hate Donald, except for his stance on trade treaties that are stealing millions of jobs from Americans.”
Donald: “I hate Bernie, except for his stance on trade treaties that are stealing millions of jobs from Americans.”
Could be a lot worse.
A lot.
How about this? “The ticket,” a new independent party spokesman declared at a Washington Press Club gala, “is Karl Marx and Ayn Rand. Deal with it.”
Why not?
Remember, the 2-party hallucination is matched by the American-public hallucination. Both sides of the equation represent absolute insanity.
The public is ready to accept the fact (after a few huge protests) that the Primary votes aren’t votes at all. Just a beauty contest. The two parties pick their candidates in whatever way they decide to.
“Okay, you voted, now shut up and let us give you the most corrupt candidates we can conjure. That’s how the system works.”
“Who’s more hideous? A or B? B, right? So let’s give them B.”
Here’s a plus for a Bernie-Donald ticket: the media will gnash and weep, weep and gnash.
“How can you possibly explain running with Bernie, Mr. Trump?”
“I don’t explain. I hate him, but he’s a pretty good guy. When we’re elected, we’ll argue every point. We’ll hammer it out. We’ll have to. Just last night, we both decided we don’t want any unnecessary wars. That was big. It’s better to defend America than go off attacking people overseas. What else? I think he sort of likes Putin. So do I. So we’ll go over to Moscow and see him and tell him this new Cold War is ridiculous. We’re going to cancel the strategy of surrounding Russia with bases.”
“And you, Mr. Sanders. How can you possibly explain running with Mr. Trump?”
“I hate him. He stands for everything I oppose. But I kind of enjoy talking to him. We’re working on a plan to stop US companies from shutting down factories and going abroad. We want to bring jobs back here. Turns out there are a lot of things we can do.”
“But Mr. Sanders, just a few months ago, you said Mr. Trump was a sleaze-bag capitalist.”
“He is. But I’ve come to realize he has advantages over Hillary Clinton. To your point, he’s somewhat less sleazy. Actually, far less sleazy. I presented him with my plan for worker-owned businesses in America. Not as a mandate, but through tax breaks and minor funding. He wasn’t opposed. In fact, he said he was willing to try that with one of his companies, which I understand is going broke. I convinced him this isn’t some Communist plot. It’s motivating to employees. It’s participatory democracy. And if it works, it’s good.”
“Mr. Trump, Mr. Sanders wants to revisit the federal bailout of big banks. As you know, he pegged that fiasco at many trillions of dollars—far more than the government was willing to admit.”
“Bernie’s four hundred percent right on that one. We gave away the farm to those bastards. They held us up. It was highway robbery. I’ve been talking about the banks and Wall Street for years. They’re running a long con on the American people. We should get a large chunk of the actual bailout money back. I mean, what do those guys actually produce? Nothing. They sit there and make money make money. I build hotels and casinos and golf courses. I’m a builder.”
“Mr. Sanders, isn’t Mr. Trump unconscionably and disgustingly rich?”
“It makes me sick to think about it. But at least he does put people to work. That’s more than I can say for Wall Street traders. Now, when we get to immigration, Donald and I are definitely on opposing sides. But I’ll admit our screening process to detect potential terrorists coming here is broken. Donald and I have been talking to border officials. They’re honest and hard-working. They’re at the end of their rope. We’ve got to give them help, if we want to prevent what happened in Paris and Brussels from visiting our shores. I’m not in favor of public places in our cities blowing up. Are you?”
“Mr. Trump, Mr. Sanders is a declared socialist. How can you put up with that?”
“I can’t. Socialism is the most stupid form of government humans have ever tried. Obamacare is a complete mess. Bernie sees some of the flaws, too. He wants single-payer. I tell him that’ll be far worse than what we’ve got now. I want free competition among companies, so the best plans attract the most customers. Bernie and I are still arguing on this one. But he’s open to the concept that we want a healthcare system that works. What an idea, right? Something that works? And the medical people—we can’t let them off the hook, either. Too many drugs. The big drug companies are killing us with their marketing campaigns. They’re inventing diseases to fit the drugs they’re developing. I think Bernie and I are both beginning to see that. Their lobbyists are feasting off the Congress and the President.”
“Mr. Sanders, what about—“
At this point, the live television feed suddenly goes dark.
Trump’s voice can still be heard for a few moments.
“They’re censoring us. Don’t worry, folks, we’ll pick this up on the Web. Go to our site, ‘Trump plus Bernie’. If they shut that down, you’ll know we’re under martial law. Go to the White House and make your voice heard…”
Trump plus Bernie? Horrible? Unthinkable?
Worse than Hillary or Cruz or Ryan or Romney? Really?
Is the hallucination that “everything is all right and everything is under control and everything is standard” better than cracking the political two-party egg?
Is it?
Is the endless media gloss better than the media desperately trying to deal with Bernie and Donald on the same ticket?
If this country is internally starting to pull itself apart even further, into two battling camps, is it better to put a war-crimes gargoyle like Hillary in the White House, and listen to her babble about national unity—or is it better to shove the two men who represent the great separation out there together?
And if putting those two men out there together on one ticket drives the American people nuts…is the contradiction actually making people crazier or is it starting to bring them back toward sanity?
What’s the fear of two opposing candidates on the same ticket all about?
Is the fear authentic, or is it just a reaction to the fact that we’ve been fed fake unity wall-to-wall forever? Candidates and leaders have been selling us fake unity to cover their crimes and their hunger for control. They’ve been pledging togetherness while they’ve been tearing us apart, because divide and conquer is still the first rule of politics.
Instead of pretending the fake unity is real, why not dump that delusion and put two men who are, in many ways, opposed to each other on the same ticket?
Why not bust the delusion?
Why not let them argue?
Why not let them come to some agreements—because they would.
Why not show the American people that endless whining and moaning about issues and differences is best displayed by taking the differences to the top of the political food chain, in the form of two men who might actually believe at least some of what they’re saying?
Let them argue, disagree, and try to hash out their problems with each other. In full view.
At the very least, it will create a pause in the mind.
The public mind, such as it is, will spin wheels and break cogs, and flip and grind and stop—because it can’t process the new situation, because it can’t deal with an actual dialogue between two enemies. Because it can’t conceive of the possibility that it’s viewing two extremes having voices in the same space, out in the open, on the same ticket. Because the public mind has been tuned to thinking that never the twain will meet. Because the public mind wants the conflict to seethe and boil under the surface rather than on the surface. Because the public mind wants non-resolution. Because, yes, the public mind wants to moan about what can never be resolved. Because the public mind is a mad insane child who can’t be satisfied and wants it that way. Because the public mind is a vast loser. Because the public mind is an artifact, a synthetic substance molded from a thousand personal dissatisfactions into exactly the kind of Mass Victim our politicians need and desire.
And even for those who have escaped the left-right, black-white, yin-yang, ding-dong status quo, who have seen through the divide and conquer formula and the two-political-parties- with-one-head ruse; the prospect of seeing two men who are apparently on opposite ends of the spectrum put their cards on the table in public, together, and go at each other, in order to come to some understanding—that would be a relief. That would be a start of something interesting in a White House that has, for decades, been rigged to disable the country and the people and the world.
If there is a sliver of a chance of turning fake share and care into real share and care…why not?
Break the trance.
Shake and bake.
Put those two boys on television every night and let them go up against each other, all out, while running together on the same side.
Make the impossible possible.
Shred the “this-or-that” set-up.
Explode the American political cover story.
Bernie AND The Donald in 2016.
Yin plus yang equals what?
Take a chance, for once, and find out.
We already know the sum of fake reality plus fake reality.
Jon Rappoport
The author of three explosive collections, THE MATRIX REVEALED, EXIT FROM THE MATRIX, and POWER OUTSIDE THE MATRIX, Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. He maintains a consulting practice for private clients, the purpose of which is the expansion of personal creative power. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world. You can sign up for his free NoMoreFakeNews emails here or his free OutsideTheRealityMachine emails here.
“…a *sincere* commitment to democratic norms [we] must never cross.”
Oh my!
Co-presidents? Coin flip for who pitch and who catch? Or selectively deployed appropriate to task?
Real simple solution. Trump &Bernie run together, as R&D. Vote winner gets POTUS, and “loser” gets VP. You’re a Repub? Vote Trump! You’re a Dem? Vote Bernie! Hey, most of America would get a WINNER, either way! Grandpa Bernie can keep Donny-boy in line! That’s the best way to keep the Apocalypse Kid & The Hildebeast outa’ the White House….
Yes! Trump and Bernie – Bernie and Trump. Whatta team! Where do I sign up?
I had been thinking about that for a while…because they both seem to be saying what they really feel and because they both seem to want to make the country BETTER.
I think I’m in love with you, Jon. 😉
I think this would be a great idea, they can possibly be in the white house for 16yrs. Not sure if Bernie has that much time left but it would be great if they can deliver what they say.
I thought the same thing , because they both actually appear to be saying what they really feel and because they both seem to actually want to make the country BETTER.
I think i’m in love with you, Jon! 😉
Since they’re both in New York right now they should appear on Saturday Night Live and do this as a skit…people may be open to the idea.
Excellent suggestion.
I thought about this a while back. Where Bernie would be the VP and Trump the President. I smiled and giggled at the thought. If only.
It really wouldn’t work the other way around. Bernie can handle the Trumpeter better than the Hildabeast can, and Cruz is a lyin’ little Sunday-school boy. After that “Smooth Operater”BHO, we NEED somebody like Trumpster to blow hard back at Putin and the Chinks. Let them both run on the same ticket, same ballot in Nov.– If enough Dems vote Bernie, he gets POTUS. It would blow the delusion/scam of the 2-party duopoly, and THAT’s a GOOD thing….Thank-you, Karen!
lyn CHEATIN Sunday School hypocrite boy
omg – I just imagined a “what if” somewhat similar scenario on my way to work this morning – GREAT MINDS!
What a great idea, Jon. And in THIS political year, not far-fetched at all!
I would go further than that. I would leave behind the Republican and Democratic parties, they are corrupted to the bones. Screw them! Let them choke in their own shitty mud holes.
Trump should contact all third parties and Bernie Sanders and make a deal with them to join him, allowing him to be the nominee of a new party called: The People Party.
Then, promising them that he will take each leading candidate in those ex-third parties + Bernie, and give them an important place in his cabinet.
Of course, this would only work if TRUMP is the President. He is a real leader and has economic skills and he is the one right now, that has the most votes.
By, by Republicans and Democrats. Wellcome to The People Party.
The amount of people that I’ve seen ask for a new party to be created called the people’s party is staggering. That’s the communist party fellas.
How is that communist?????? It is the contrary. Governments are supposed to work for the people, not the other way around. We are the boss, the government is our employee.
What you call “government” is actually a corporation.
United States of America, Inc.
what is your authority for the proposition that government is our employee?
where do you get that notion, that you are the boss of a corporation?
it’s a corporation. what are you within the corporation?
are you on the board of directors?
are you a shareholder?
are you a corporate officer?
were you elected to a corporate position where you make decisions?
or are you the “stock”?
the LIVE stock, perhaps?
wake up, lil susie, you’re looking not too smart here.
you’re not the boss. maybe that was a quaint or even empowering notion for you.
where did you learn that? in school?
and if you are not the stock, the live stock, then, what are you within the corporation? (there’s only so many positions in a corporation, so you shouldn’t have a hard time with that question).
I look forward to your reply.
/s/ Rasta
I know that Rastafari… we all know that.
What do you think Trump is talking about when he says it’s time to take your country back and make it great again? He wants to audit the Fed and abolish it, he wants the 28 pages on 9/11 to be published. He knows all that stuff better than anyone.
But what I said is still true:
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
So, what are you waiting for? How long will you tolerate that?
Vote for Trump. The Trump’s movement is all about that. And people will take back this country, and the people will be the boss like it should be and the government will be their employees
If you do nothing, nothing will happen.
There are so many assumptions made by people discussing Trump (and Sanders). Make America “great again” is a meaningless feel-good slogan. When was America “great”? When they hunted witches in Salem? When they genocided the Native populations? When they annexed two-thirds of Mexico because they could? When they crushed to old Spanish empire to install pro-American dictators in all their colonies? When they used the first and only nuclear weapon in war after it was no longer needed; Japan was essentially dead already? When they “slashed and burned” helpless civilians in Viet Nam? When the slaughtered each other in a ruthless civil war? When they decided to turn American lands into urban sprawl to satisfy the greed of Big Oil and Big Car Manufacturing? When they built military bases all over the planet to enforce labour slavery and ensure extraction of resources to benefit only American interests? When they declared war on Iraq for a on-going death toll of 1.3 innocent civilians as of now, people who had nothing to do with the conflict between a rogue American puppet dictator and Wall Street/Washington interests? Tell me when I’ve hit the jack pot and the one-armed bandit goes: “Great! Great! Great! – ding, ding, ding!”
What’s a Trump? A truly bad demagogue and sloganizer aiming for the lowest common denominator of the Sheeple red-neck voting public. Why’s he running? Because he’s nothing but ego gone nova; because there’s money in it and he needs it; because there’s power there and he wants it. Bernie? No better, just smarter and perhaps to some small extent by this time believing in his own rhetoric of change. Good luck with all of that.
Maybe, “We The People Party”, or dust off Trump’s former “Reform Party”?
FLASHBACK!
[in 2000,] Donald Trump entered the race briefly, giving television interviews outlining his platform…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Party_of_the_United_States_of_America#2000_presidential_election
Here is a nice morsel re: Buchanan and Trump and the Reform Party in 2000,…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan_presidential_campaign,_2000
In October 1999 Buchanan left the Republican Party [and joined the Reform Party], condemning both his former party and their Democratic Party rivals, saying: “Neither Beltway party is going to drain this swamp, because to them it is not a swamp at all, but a projected wetland and their natural habitat!”
Reform Party founder Ross Perot did not endorse a candidate, but his former running-mate Pat Choate endorsed Buchanan.
Buchanan competed in the party’s primary against the Reform Party’s wealthiest contender, real estate mogul Donald Trump and against Dr. John Hagelin, a physicist from Iowa. The party soon erupted into chaos as supporters of the liberal Hagelin fought members of the “Buchanan Brigade.” Trump eventually dropped out of the race, citing the party’s inability to unite. At various points violent confrontation between the two groups required police intervention.
During the party’s convention in Long Beach, California, supporters of the two candidates split into rival factions. Both declared themselves to be the legitimate Reform Party; Buchanan was unshaped by the split, saying: “Let me say this, my friends: We are here, down here in Long Beach, to capture a nomination of the Reform Party that has been won because of what you have been doing for ten months.” Eventually, both groups nominated their candidate of choice, and the question as to whom would receive the party’s $12.6 million was decided, in Buchanan’s favor, by a court.
In his acceptance speech, Buchanan proposed U.S. withdrawal from the IMF, the WTO, the UN, and expelling the UN from New York, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, Department of Education, Department of Energy, Department of Housing and Urban Development, soft money, taxes on inheritance and capital gains, and affirmative action programs. Buchanan also proposed a 10% tariff of foreign imports and term-limits for members of Congress.
Is it too late for Trump and Sanders to run under another party? I’d love to see them both give the establishment the boot!
I like it.
Sanders and Trump would be a dream ticket for the American people. Both anti-establishment, both want to stop trade agreements, both wanting to keep jobs here, and Donald has always been a Democrat, and wants to help the little guy more than he might let on.
Trump / Bernie
Make America great again with a future you can believe in !
that will keep the Establishment in the crapper with chest pains
If they steal the win from that ticket only revolution is left.
D. Stanley
Has my vote, it might be the only solution. they cancel out their negatives and agree on the major issues like not having nuclear wars with russia and keeping america working. the rest is minor. Definitely better than them both running as independents. At this point i dont see bernie running as independent so trump will have to convince him
has your vote?
why in the world do you even believe your vote counts for anything?
the votes are NOT counted.
anyone who promotes the idea that this candidate or that one or some bizarre combo like Jon proposes here … just plain nonsense.
YOUR VOTES DON’T COUNT. YOUR VOTES DO NOT ELECT ANYONE.
why does Jon hammer on about anything other than that? is he promoting this fraud of “voting” as something that matters? why, Jon, why?
why aren’t you exposing the fraud of voting machines and those who control those machines?
what is the reason for that omission?
what is the reason for pretending that it matters who anyone votes for or, who runs on what ticket – R or D?
and if we are using our imaginations, as you promote, Jon, then why do you use imagination to conjure up a Bernie/Donald ticket? if you believe imagination has power, and if you believe that voting matters for anything, then why not IMAGINE someone other than the insiders you’re pushing here with this scenario?
does anyone reading this really truly believe these presidents are elected?
does anyone really believe that these presidents even act on their own?
what the heck, Jon. why don’t you give it a good go on exposing the voting fraud instead of perpetuating this voting/election nonsense?
I sure hope you will answer as this is an important/critical point here.
and I hope that anyone who still believes in this fraud and farce of voting, i hope that you will use your imaginations to imagine something other than these 2 jokers on a valid ticket with honest elections.
I know you probably won’t publish this, Jon, but I say it anyway. I admire your work, but you seem to be off on this voting situation. you must know it’s a fraud. Yet you don’t expose it.
/s/ Rastafari
Chill Rastafari. These are the only two candidates out of the ones we have to choose from, who are at least anti-establishment to some degree. Maybe Jon believes that if one, or both, of these candidates could get more votes by a landslide, it would be a lot harder for the establishment to fix things in their favor.
Yin and yang. Ebb and flow. It just fucking works. Yes….let’s burn down the house baby!
Good one. Reminds me of the movie, “My Fellow Americans”
Trump is a Nationalist! Sanders is a Socialist! Interesting combination.
Wrong on BOTH counts. Trump is a nationalist, and oligarchic / plutocrat / patriot. Sanders is a(n) Independent / socialist / Democrat. They’re NOT the same as how you put it….Trump was a Democrat longer than he’s been a repub. But you’re correct – it’s a GREAT combination!
I said the same thing at work today. If enough people believe this could happen it would reset the whole charade.
The Voters, Trump and Sanders are getting screwed playing by “their rules”.
Enough,desperate times call for drastic measures!
They’re both getting screwed…so why not? Check out Trump defending Bernie. https://www.facebook.com/NowThisElection/videos/1152457384785750/
see here, Jon.
this is what imagination does.
it can reset the whole charade.
you call for a reset that includes donald/bernie.
wow. now that takes some big imagination.
2 phoney actors in a phony election fraud.
yes, imagine them together.
that’s a handy exercise, isn’t it?
instead of looking at the root of the problem … elections are corrupt and fraud,
here’s more promoting the fraud.
but with a little twist … 2 opposing (haha) fraudsters teaming up.
now that’s some honkin’ imagination.
they would never think of that.
now everyone, nobody talk about election fraud.
1. Hacking Democracy, and
2. Invisible Ballots.
watch those, then see if you want to “vote”.
You need new players to even consider trying to change the system, but as Bernie keeps saying, no one candidate can do it alone, the American people have to take action too! As long as so many people are willing to accept the corruption and keep voting for the establishment candidates, it will never fully change. But, many are not even aware because of the propaganda that passes for news. At least Sanders and Trump call it like it is without worrying about offending the establishment.
now everyone, nobody talk about election fraud.
1. Hacking Democracy, and
2. Invisible Ballots.
watch those, then see if you want to “vote”.
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You are kidding right? Nobody talks about fraud???? Everyone is talking about the fraud. And that should make you want to vote even more. They cannot rig a landslide. Elect Trump in a landslide and the voting process will become free of corruption after that. He will see to it. No wonder the establishment is so afraid of him. He will make that corrupted system tumble to the ground. Lot’s of people will end up in jail.
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All for it.
Beautifully written article, as always, Jon.
When the industrialists got people to “beg for jobs”, they KNEW they’d conquered the world. Therefore, “grand plan” this ain’t gonna work even if it is “better than before”. Still, it would be a huge step forward, perhaps not in the “right direction”, but immeasurably more “on course” than the current one.
Best
OT
I love it .the best of both worlds .the great equalizer
With you on this 99% Jon! Having Libertarian leanings, this scenario is POSSIBLE. One more area Don and Bernie could discuss regards eliminating the interest on student loans. Repayment of principal only. Apply same to agricultural loans, no interest. However… slowly wean away agricultural subsidies for balance.
Awesome thinking, Joe Nieroski! Hoping that Bernie can find a way to eventually eliminate student debt altogether and no interest is a wonderful start to enable graduates to enter the work force without being burdened with debt.
Bernie’s bark is worse than his bite. Vermont is pretty much a low wage high cost of housing state where corporations get advantages while small businesses get hurt. Positively the state stood up to Monsanto, bans billboards, and has remained beautiful to this day
There’s only so much one man can do. Bernie was mayor when my parents lived outside of Burlington. My Dad noticed the contrast between Vermont and New Hampshire, and in New Hampshire he noticed how corporatized and artificial everything looked compared to Vermont, where people cared about the natural environment. Like he says, you can’t expect a President to change everything. You need the PUBLIC to wake up and join the good fight.
Bernie’s bark is worse than his bite. Despite a long political career there Vermont remains a low wage high rent state.
Oh this is beautiful, a dream come true! Like The Odd Couple. Bernie’s Felix to Donald’s Oscar.
Lets try it, we certainly have nothing to lose. This could be refreshing, and far better than evil and eviler.
I’ve had this Trump/Sanders thought as well, but TPTB are in process of stealing the election from both of them. Bernie looks like a ringer who is about to take a dive. Trump may try to sue, but the Supreme Court won’t do anything. This is a dire situation. The criminals aren’t going to allow themselves to be voted out of office when they’ve already rigged a number of elections in the US. It’s just getting more difficult to pull due to overwhelming support for these candiates
You are on to something here Jon !!!
Bravo.
The thought of a D&B ticket occurred to me about a week ago when it became too obvious the Establishment was working against both of them, and both were to be denied the nomination.
Both want the best for the American people. It works for me.
We should start a petition to see how many people would support the merger of these two anti-establishment candidates and suggest they start their own party and team up! Send it to Trump and Sanders and ask them to put aside their differences to save America!
I think Sanders would be harder to convince because, like a lot of other Americans, he’s hearing the nonsense propaganda about Trump from the media and the political elite. If Sanders had a conversation with Trump, I bet he’d find out they’re coming from a similar place, even if their ideas on how to get there aren’t all the same.
There is a “teaching an old dog new tricks” aspect here but Sanders to his credit has a lot of fire in the stove and is common sense enough to listen to good sense.
This good sense and would tip that putrid pot of slime in Washington over.
I put “Trump/Sanders” up on my tumblr page as a good idea weeks ago. Everyone just ignored it….
Try it again…link to Jon’s article!
I think we need to start a petition and send it to the candidates themselves. If we get a lot of signatures, maybe the media will talk about it. I’m just thinking Bernie may not ever go for it because he’s formed his opinions about Trump based on the media calling him racist, etc., and because of some of the stupid things Trump has said. I don’t know if he could be convinced unless he talked to Trump.
Still lol at the Kool-Aid drinking that goes on. Trump anti-establishment? Yeah. Sure. It’s sad that so many people can be so silly.
There is no anti-establishment candidate and without a major change in the way US politics is run and/or funded there won’t be. But don’t let the obvious stop you from grasping at illusory straws.
Hell yes! The two populist candidates who are getting screwed can team up to royally screw both parties and win one for the people! Let’s do it!
Great idea! Seriously, they should team up; they’ll be a force to be reconed with, and the DC scumballs can’t recon.
They’re both on Twitter I believe. Tweet this idea at em Jon.
Trump + Sanders = Me the people
well, its good except for one problem… i dont think bernie is what he says he is, according to his actions. not words, actions.
i will say though, i would be open to it only because both are getting the shaft, and if trump is president, picking bernie as a vp wouldnt be the worst idea in history. unless trump is taken out… that would be a disaster.
bernie to the woodshed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdHtfKZ9iy8
Bernie is more “what he says he is” than any other candidate. I watch all of the political shows and every time they ask a democrat or republican about Bernie, they say he is genuine and sincere, even if they don’t believe he can do what he says he’ll do or don’t like his politics, they always say he’s sincere.
And who is this person in the video anyway? He’s faulting Bernie for voting Democrat? He’s a socialist-democrat! What’s the surprise? You can make a video like this about any politician, because the whole system is corrupt. When they want a bill passed, they often stick it on a bill with something that everyone will vote for. The bottom line is that the only two candidates brave enough to call out the political establishment in any real way are Sanders and Trump. Changing the players is not as important as changing the entire game, and we need people willing to shake things up. Just the fact that the establishment doesn’t want Sanders or Trump should tell you they’re worth having!
They’d keep each other in check and desroy the two-party oligarchy. Their foreign policy is essentially the same in that they are both non-interventionists. I can envision a better relationship between Trump and Putin that has not existed with Putin and Obama or his last three predecessors. I’m not saying Putin is a good guy necessarily, but clearly the U.S. Govt has been pushing Putin into a corner since Clinton was President. If I were Putin, I would have reacted the same way he has over the last few yrs.
There is such a USA media smear on President Putin. This extraordinary man is the worlds’ greatest leader. I am listening to his annual address and his unscripted performance is unheard of. Four hours with statistics flowing we could only wish for something like this in the west.
@ Sovereignty
I fully agree with you. People are so disinformed.
And then the criminal element comes in, successfully uses the one former candidate to get rid of the other former candidate, and America is under the same rule as Russia. This is a nightmare. On the other hand, what if it DID work?!
a lot better than Rich Armitage and Hillary! don’t throw up at “respected”…
Richard Armitage – I’d choose Clinton over Trump
Richard Armitage, a respected Republican voice in foreign policy who served as deputy secretary of state under former U.S. President George W. Bush, said he would vote for Democratic contender Hillary Clinton for president if the choice were between the former secretary of state and the GOP front-runner, real estate mogul Donald Trump.
“I have nothing but disdain for Mr. Trump and what he says and the way he acts,” Armitage told The Nikkei in a recent interview. …..
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/International-Relations/I-d-choose-Clinton-over-Trump-Armitage
@ Sha’Tara
I think it is time for you to leave the country, if you hate it so much, why don”t you leave.
Or maybe you are a socialist communist who likes Bernie free lunch promesses.
Or maybe you like criminal Hillary.
Or maybe you don’t live in the USA
Or, maybe you are and illegal immigrant.
Or maybe a radical Islamist
Or maybe a feminist who wants power
Or whatever!
But, if you are a USA citizen, you only have 2 choices: Leave or vote Trump to stop the corruption in your country. If you don’t chose any of these 2 solutions, then, you are the problem.
I was just hearing on another blog that they were turning away Sanders’ supporters and closing polls early in NY tonight…
I hope Jon looks into this…
http://wellaware1.com/newsite/bernie_truth/
https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/ernestrauthschild/the-united-states-of-north-america
They would never be able to decide who gets the top bunk.
I think Bernie would be willing to be VP if he actually had a conversation with Trump. He doesn’t think much of him now because he’s hearing the same propaganda about Trump from the media that everyone else is. But, if they had a conversation, I think he’d see that they actually want the same thing, to bolster middle class Americans. And, I think both are open-minded enough to come to a compromise on how to do it. But, Trump would never play second fiddle.
I still think we should start a petition to both of them, asking them to put political parties aside and run together no matter who wins, so we can do away with the establishment.
Bernie is a nationalist to some extent, so they do have commonality.
Bernie IS a nationalist. He’s against trade deals and our jobs being moved out of the country, and he’s against butting into other country’s business by attacking them because they don’t do things the way we think they should.