by Jon Rappoport
March 17, 2020
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The government of Italy, as everyone knows, has locked down the whole country of 60 million people. So how many Italians have died from COV? Even by the standards of the useless and misleading diagnostic tests?
Ready?
As far as the Italian Higher Institute of Health knows, at this point:
Maybe two.
Maybe.
Try to wrap your mind around that.
Good luck.
Seems the president of the Italian Higher Institute has some smarts. He understands that people who already have other serious health conditions, which have nothing to do with COV, can and do die from those other conditions, regardless of the fact that they’ve tested positive (on useless tests) for COV. He gets it. I predict a great future for him. If he keeps shooting his mouth off, he might find himself working as a weed puller in a forest. Or he might suddenly be diagnosed with the virus and find himself in isolation.
Grit your teeth and plow through this piece from Rome, 13 March 2020, Agenzia Nova: “Coronavirus: ISS [Italian National Institute of Health]: in Italy there are only two deaths ascertained so far due to Covid-19” (Italian, English)
“There may be only two people who died from coronavirus in Italy, who did not present other pathologies. This is what emerges from the medical records examined so far by the Higher Institute of Health, according to what was reported by the President of the Institute [Istituto Superiore di Sanità (ISS), Italian National Institute of Health], Silvio Brusaferro, during the press conference held today at the Civil Protection in Rome. ‘Positive deceased patients have an average of over 80 years – 80.3 to be exact…The majority of these people are carriers of chronic diseases. Only two people were not presently carriers of [other non-COV] diseases’, but even in these two cases, the examination of the files is not concluded and therefore, causes of death different from Covid-19 could emerge. The president of the ISS has specified that ‘little more than a hundred medical records’ have so far come from hospitals throughout Italy.”
“…At present, in fact, the authorities are unable to distinguish those who died from the virus, from those who, on the other hand, are communicated daily to the public, but who were mostly carriers of other serious diseases and who, therefore, would not have died from Covid-19. In response to a question from ‘Agenzia Nova’, in fact, Brusaferro was unable to indicate the exact number of coronavirus deaths. However, the professor clarified that, according to the data analyzed, the vast majority of the victims ‘had serious [non-COV] pathologies and in some cases the onset of an infection of the respiratory tract can lead more easily to death.’ To clarify this point, and provide real data, ‘as we acquire the folders we will go further. However, the populations most at risk are fragile, carriers of multiple diseases’.”
Translation into non-medical language: the people dying in Italy have other very serious traditional diseases that have nothing to do with COV, and it’s obvious they could have died, and probably did die, from those other diseases. Nevertheless, we’re locking down the whole country.
So, for those people straining to find a reason for the “devastation” overtaking Italy—it’s karma for ancient Rome trying to conquer half the known world; it’s the ghost of Martin Luther obtaining revenge against the Vatican; it’s a bioweapon with the power to cut down millions of people overnight; it’s a virus that came in with a small meteor and crashed outside Milan; it’s Chinese revenge against Marco Polo for stealing the concept of noodles—
Take a break, relax, have a plate of pasta, turn on the TV, and because all the stadiums are empty, watch a rerun of a soccer match from 1979.
PS: For those people who believe this head of the Italian Institute is lying with his facts and figures, stop and think it through. He’s going to announce such devastating news that essentially contradicts everything the Italian government is doing with its lockdowns and quarantines of the whole country? It would be as if the director of the Centers for Disease Control announced, “There are a total of nine deaths in the US we think might have been caused by COV, and even there we’re not sure, because you see, these nine were elderly people who could barely get out of bed long before COV emerged. These nine had extremely serious lung disease NOT CAUSED, I repeat, NOT CAUSED by COV…but anyway, don’t go outside, work from home, don’t touch another human being, watch our website for bargain deals on toilet paper, and oh yes, don’t forget to get your regular flu shot if you can slip into a hazmat suit and drive at breakneck speed to your nearest pharmacy, where injection clerks are waiting…”
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how long does something like this take to plan?
has anyone mentioned the last 2 years of influenza articles in the media- was it an Easter egg warning ?
Allergies are about to be triggered to millions of pollen sufferers… this a possibility of the timing? especially after a warm winter and pollen forecast are projected to be sky high (whatever that means coming from whatever source)
why is no country blaming China? is this ALL China’s doing?
is this how someone like Trump was elected to begin with? he has been very odd lately with his tones. one day he was sounded tired AF, the next he was a spring chicken giving out guidelines. has he been outpowered? is this all the bosses saying who’s real boss?
or this is nothing more nothing less than 5g aka the beginning of the beginning (end)?
“how long does something like this take to plan?”
Perhaps decades?
Someone asked Bob Kerrey, former Gov of Nebraska and US Senator who served on the 9/11 Commission, about Building 7 and if he supports a new criminal investigation. In response, Kerrey states on video that “9/11 was 30 year conspiracy”, but doesn’t explain. Would that be 30 years to plan and prepare the details of the event and the govt response, or 30 years after 9/11 to ripen the ugly fruit which is Agenda 2030 & the controlled demolition of industrial civilization and human freedom? Maybe both, sifting through the esoterica
911 Commissioner Bob Kerrey claims 911 was a 30 year conspiracy:
youtube.com/watch?v=wDfm3NroVG8
China isn’t being blamed because it’s the ‘scientific dictatorship’ model for the world, world govt Technocracy. China was David Rockefeller’s and Zbigniew Brzezinski’s chosen model when they formally launched their 57-year long project. The other day The Guardian praised how China’s extreme draconian actions stopped the virus from spreading exponentially in China and concluded that western values of freedom will be incompatible with measures that must be taken to fight The Virus.
Club of Rome: “In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite…”
The “9/11 was 30 year conspiracy” refers to the time period when the Israeli Likud party came into power.
Look up “Irgun” for further explanation.
“China was David Rockefeller’s and Zbigniew Brzezinski’s…”.
And not to forget Kissinger.
China DID not industrialize, it WAS industrialized.
The implications…
Also, refer to the Report From Iron Mountain: in globalism, a one world population needs a common manufactured enemy, such as global warming, or, in this case, CoVid-19.
Exactly right Lydia– I recall exactly where I was when the USSR was dissolved under Gorbachev in 1991 https://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/fall-of-soviet-union
At that time, as a result of my study of history in high school and university in Canada, I KNEW even then that a NEW ENEMY would have to be created. It was not until 2001, 10 years later, that we finally got that new enemy: Terrorism. Now, in 2020, that’s been apparently defeated. Uh oh.
Now here comes the NEW enemy again– the CORONA virus… a NOVEL virus… an “invisible enemy”, Trump called it.
1984 Goldstein.
Emmanuel Goldstein is a fictional character in George Orwell’s dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. He is the principal enemy of the state according to the Party of the totalitarian Oceania.
It’s the perfect enemy. You’re told it’s there, but you can’t see it. It’s killing people, and will keep killing unless you give up your liberties
The fate of the WTC complex was determined before it was even built. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were prewired for controlled demolition at the time of its construction.
Yeah, well– guess what? It’s worse than you thought. The Trade Centers had “no floors”. They were hollow covers for the antenna towers. Do a search on 9/11 no floors.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=9%2F11+no+floors&form=QBLH&sp=-1&pq=9%2F11+no+f&sc=8-9&qs=n&sk=&cvid=CE65931A7B8349DEA1C99C429ADAB69C
I say they were planning at least the twin towers for 56 years — probably weren’t even thinking there would be a WTC7 then. I am not joking. I think its true. If so, it shows how far ahead they plan. They envisioned building the towers to be demolition way back in 1945. One possibility I think is an airplane that hit the Empire State building in 1945 may have given them the idea — they may even have been behind the airplane hitting the Empire State building. I don’t know.
The plane hit the building in 1945. But get a load of this. Porky Pig cartoon in 1948. Porky’s desperate dog says to Porky, “What’s that? Look! Its the towers!! THEY’RE FALLING!!!”
…to be demolition”ed.”
Forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwdTXR4KRI
The towers were mentioned by Ayn Rand – “Atlas Shrugged” published in the 50’s. It is the opening chapter: 2 towers, with a big sign board hanging in between what said “911”. And an “Omnious feeling about the things to come” by Dagny Taggert, the main caracter of this book. Atlas Shrugged has been regarded as the playbook of the elite. Ayn Rand suppposedly had an affair with a Rothschild during that period.
How about ten years+. Refer to this draconian document:
http://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf
And here is another recent development:
https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/prep-act-invoked-nationwide-for-the-first-time-in-u-s-history-will-martial-law-follow/
Based on your fear, look here (virus=death)!, while we are busy getting things ready for you over there. You can’t deny that these entities are not brilliant strategists; Totally evil, but brilliant. It appears this time they are taking it all the way…
“Please allow me to introduce myself. I’m a man of wealth and taste.”
Yes, people check page 18 entitled “Lock Step”.
Bush had signed the first law (something called “international cooperation for diseases”) in 2005. It says it’s possible to implement martial law if pandemic happens. Army on streets, mandatory vaccination and so on. Look up Bush and 2005. I wish I had more time to find it, but I don’t.
Yes. It’s coming. This just came over the news 3/18/20
“A federal plan to tackle the coronavirus, seen by The New York Times, warned that the pandemic “will last 18 months or longer” and could include “multiple waves” as it continues to spread.
The plan predicts shortages “impacting health care, emergency services, and other elements of critical infrastructure.”
The plan laid out recommendations for how to curb the coronavirus spread, including shutting schools and canceling events, and it also urged President Donald Trump to invoke the Defense Production Act.
The Defense Production Act is a federal law that authorizes the president to “expedite and expand the supply of resources from the US industrial base to support military, energy, space, and homeland security programs.”
PREP public readiness and emergency preparedness act.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/prep-act-invoked-nationwide-for-the-first-time-in-u-s-history-will-martial-law-follow/
Watch the movie “Contagion”. Released in 2011 with Matt Damon. Years.
Read ‘The Nameless War’ by Archibald Maule Ramsey (available free as pdf online) – he was jailed during WW2 for spilling the beans on the system (he did a Kennedy).
All regime changes take decades to bring into effect. This book explains why. Not for those who refuse to open their mind or follow the common narrative.
Good luck everyone, we may be about to give away our freedom.
It may be that it is not “planned” per se, but someone is taking advantage of what is happening.
Our world is largely mechanistic, and with any mechanics built here, failures will occur, one thing will clash into another etc. That’s accidental but with so many things in motion, it’s inevitable something will occur. Even new sicknesses may occur, by reason of various beautiful cocktails of drugs, pesticides, antibiotics medicine and “food”.
That’s not planned. Some people say it is – but we don’t even need that to be maliciously engineered.
But things are happening. We can even say they just happen by accident.
Now enter an evil mind who knows how to take advantage of things which are happening, he sees an opportunity, he contacts the right media people – and off you go.
Has been done before. Will be done again.
The good thing is that such evil minds normally have very little power of their own. They use mechanisms against us, not a real causative power. It is our own liveliness which can defeat them.
Outstanding! Great find, Jon.
No one in the world in human history has ever died from a virus. Anyway, it is only the initial phase of the morphing of the microzyma so it can not kill the organism.
Disease do not exist. They are in fact the manifestation of cleaning undergoing in the body. The health of the body depends on the level of toxicity. Toxemia is the only subject that needs to be studies in medical schools.
Well disease exists, it is as you said, the manifestation of virus or bacteria attempting to restore homeostasis, which requires toxins to be eliminated through the mucus, skin, and bowels. This will always result in symptoms of some sort because your body is detoxifying. And it is true that viruses do not kill—Instead, the systemic toxic condition kills. because cells can not regenerate their tissues and fluids nor maintain proper regulation in the face of toxicity and nutrient malnourishment.
Yes, I meant the disease does not exist in the meaning we give it today.
J.B. do you have your own blog?
I have many comments and posts here: https://www.reddit.com/user/JGCS7
Although that is not the best place for imparting such information due to hostility.
Thank you, I’ll have a look. You’re right a blog with moderated comments like this one is the best way for this kind of information.
Keep up the good work, you’re on the right path!
Love the link J.B.
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Hungarian obstetrician Ignaz Semmelweis asked his colleagues to wash their hands before performing any delivery. As a result, maternal mortality dropped dramatically. How do you explain this without some kind of pathogenic germ theory?
Toxicity caused by foreign blood in their system.
(And we need to be careful about the statistics too.) Toxicity is distinct from viral pathogenicity because it is strictly dose dependent.
In a document on defeating pro-vaxers there are a couple of simple experiments that prove toxicity over viral disease.
Eating raw sewage:
Well that would be a bad idea but, again, actually following the logic shows that the germ theory is impossible. Eating sewerage is not advisable. But the question is why? Is it truly because a tiny number of bacteria might invade your body, replicate, and make you sick? Or is it simply because there are many things that humans do not cope well with that poison us?
Well the key is dose dependency. If the problem is merely poisoning then what we will have is a dose dependent relationship.
If the problem is a self-replicating pathogen (as the germ theory claims) then we do not have strict dose dependency. Dose dependency under the posited germ theory only matters insofar as there are enough pathogens to successfully evade/overwhelm the immune system.
For the mathematicians, the first (poisoning) is a continuous and differentiable (C&D) function. For the second (self-replicating pathogen aka germ theory), you have a threshold/step change function that is not C&D.
To give an idea of the first (poisoning) theory. Let’s say you take a mouthful of sour milk and spit it straight out. You won’t get any symptoms. If you actually swallow said mouthful you will have a sore stomach. If you swallow a litre you will be up all night with vomiting and diarrhea (similar to what Max von Pettenkoffer went through). And anything in between – as you increase the dose, you directly increase the intensity of the illness.
But if germ theory were true it would not work in such a C&D fashion. Instead, you would feel nothing at all until you hit a threshold (say, half a litre). At that point it would make no difference whether you had twice as much or 10 times as much. Either way, the pathogens are able to overwhelm your immune system.
You could do this experiment if you like but I can already tell you the results. The germ theory is complete bullshit. Medicine is pure dogma. That is why 15 year olds are told it is critical that they themselves experimentally test the principles of chemistry and physics but disease based medicine is learnt almost entirely from scripture (“read a textbook!!!”) as the vast majority of medicine is unfalsifiable dogma. It has nothing to do with observation, logic, experiments, repeatability or any other tenet of “science” and never in its history has it done so. It is entirely about fear: if you don’t do what the omniscient doctor tells you, you will die. Don’t try and understand it, just obey it.
You can do another experiment too by the way to give a similar idea. Take 4 splinters, disinfect two of them and leave two dirty ones. Put all four in different fingers. Take two out immediately – a clean one and a dirty one and don’t clean the finger that used to have the dirty splinter. Wait a week. See which of the four fingers hurts the most. Under germ theory it will be the two fingers that had/have the dirty splinters in them. Under a non-lunatic theory of disease, it will be the fingers that still have splinters in them – dirty or not.
“And it is true that viruses do not kill—Instead, the systemic toxic condition kills.” Would germ warfare labs be aware of this intrinsic limitation? Or would their results be based on the false premises you noted under an earlier post (cell cultures grown in controlled conditions outside their natural environment)?
Thomas Levy and vitamin c. This doctor has done great work in oxydation and toxicity. Antioxidants and nutrition. He is mainly known for his work on vitamin c.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpptUsJFCEY
Love Dr. Levy..(:
Andrew Saul and IV vitamin C in China:
http://www.doctoryourself.com/
and
http://orthomolecular.activehosted.com/index.php?action=social&chash=a8baa56554f96369ab93e4f3bb068c22.146&s=9071d50bab59932b43a0df1ded2193d1
Anyone suggesting one cure for all is no different than mainstream doctors and their allopathic medicine with their medication approach.
While the basic premise is correct your comparison is misleading and false. Vitamin C is an essential nutrient, no allopathic drug (or anything else they peddle) fits that criteria.
This is also the reason why vitamin C has broad benefits while not a single medical drug fits that description.
The synthetic supplements are not usable in any circumstances, and the body treats them as drugs. It is the stimulus of drug effects that we mistake for health effects. We mistake the energy an exhausted horse shows under the whip as beneficient when, in fact, it is pathogenic.
Here is a HERB that people might like to look at……
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FEBRUARY 16, 2016
by Healthy Food House
BLACK SEED OIL (also called black cumin seed or NIGELLA SATIVA) has been scientifically proved to be an incredible ANTI-CANCER TREATMENT IN animal studies, and its effect can be applied in the case of SEVERAL CANCER TYPES.
This beneficial HERB grows in countries bordering the Mediterranean Sea and India, and THYMOQUINONE is its most popular active ingredient.
Namely, tTHIS OIL AND ITS EXTRACT thymoquinone ARE AMAZING IN the TREATMENT OF NUMEROUS DIFFERENT INFLAMMATORY ISSUES, AS WELL AS in the case of VARIOUS TYPES OF CANCER, including cervical cancer, breast cancer, brain cancer, liver cancer, prostate cancer, bone cancer, lymphoma, stomach cancer, colon cancer, melanoma skin cancer, and pancreatic cancer.
BLACK CUMIN SEED OIL PREVENTS CANCER CELL ACTIVITY and is able to different cancer cells types.
The positive effects of the black seed oil have been confirmed in numerous studies conducted in the past several decades, and it has been also found that there are only small risks of negative side- effects.
Yet, researchers have rarely elevated their work to a higher level, that is, to human clinical testing.
https://www.think-aboutit.com/ancient-remedy-treats-diseases-hiv-diabetes-cancer-stroke-stds-arthritis/
Plamen you are wrong and know nothing about biochemistry.
Nothing.
Plamen, yeah go tell the millions of people who got greatly helped, even cured, from taking synthetic supplements. But I’m sure you’d dismiss them all as being pathogenic and not really well. Your way of “thinking” and “reasoning” is pathogenic.
They had everyone fooled from the beginning.. Louis Pasteur waa the big one.. The conconcted gerns and bad bacteria and later contagious viruses.. Their intelligence is bewildering and what they are accomplishing is astounding.. When you tell people that Democratic Party are the Draconian People and Republican Party are the Reptilian People they think yoi crazy..
Link please. Trying to google this but can’t find
I posted the links yesterday on the other article:
Translated link: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.agenzianova.com%2Fa%2F5e6bcf1da7fbe3.23491954%2F2851060%2F2020-03-13%2Fcoronavirus-iss-in-italia-i-decessi-accertati-finora-per-causa-del-covid-19-sono-solo-due
Italian link https://www.agenzianova.com/a/5e6bcf1da7fbe3.23491954/2851060/2020-03-13/coronavirus-iss-in-italia-i-decessi-accertati-finora-per-causa-del-covid-19-sono-solo-due
Great links!! Will be sharing!!
Another ripper article Jon!
Jon, you are a breath of fresh air. Thanks for yet again throwing light on the dark nefarious dealings of the world. Now what to do about all our fellow useful idiots carrying the banner of gullible unquestioning ignorance once more into the breach of willful self enslavement? There’s a quote attributed to Mark Twain that goes, “It’s Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” I guess it’s a cognitive dissonance thing. Well, at least you can’t fool all the people all the time. Thanks again.
I keep telling everyone I meet that the whole thing is fake and in general they look a bit shocked initially but the majority want to know more.
Lucky you lol. Most ppl I know are so far up the media and govt’s rears that they just double down on the official narrative. They can’t comprehend that something like this would be FAKE.
Exactly. That’s been my experience also. People will believe ANYTHING if it comes from the gubmint – – and as far as I’m concerned, this was nothing more than a test to see how many people would fall for it and how many people would question it and tell the gubmint & THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY to eat dirt. But I’ve been saying that same thing for almost 2 months already. It’s just getting crazier and crazier. Now Trump wants to give away “free money”???? WTH?
I guess I’ll just never understand.
He wants to give away free money because it’s ours, to begin with. It was stolen from us, thanks to the inception of the Federal Reserve (which isn’t federal) and the income tax.
I believe it is fake. Does anybody know what we could do? What’s happening?
It’s incredibly frustrating how people are buying into this nonsense, and how for the real bosses, this is the best con ever. At what point do the people wake up? Probably never, as cons like this have been going on for a long long time.
It’s the “fittest will survive” type of scenario. Use it to your adantage, you know it’s fake, others don’t. It’s a chance for smart people to get on top. I got super-activated by this bullshit. We deliver our products across the country now. Most of the time I’m on my way to deliver stuff or pick up deliveries. We act normal and we’re winning in these idiotic times. We’re using it to our advantage. It’s natural.
What business is that jjtech?
Yes, great idea. Just keep laughing!
I think this will be a good chance for them to usher in the microchip to ensure people in quarantine can be monitored properly.. “it’s for our own good people!” The banks have stopped giving out cash because that act might spread disease so why not all get a microchip so we don’t even have to handle a card ( which might spread disease)
Not the first I’ve heard of the chip concern, though a slight variation.
Create a pandemic to create a vaccine to insert a chip.
Recension 2:9,3:9 locking down society because their shnozzgoblin Ponzi scheme had run its course.
This is about control and getting the goyim ready for Noahide, with an AI surveillance 5G system, digital currency, not a single one of us can escape.
There is no other reasonable conclusion is you understand the tribe. They are pure evil and will not stop at nothing to rule everyone
Agreed, I’ve been warning people about the Noahide laws and they just dont get it.
They are the enemy of humanity, both physical and spiritual. Always have been, always will be
Revelation*
There is nothing short of complete, full spectrum dominance of the […] that will satiate their bloodlust. Previous rulers understood this but have been propagandized to be Satan incarnate.
After everything I’ve seen and read, it’s clear to me this is just another piece of their depopulation scheme to manage cradle to grave vaccination. Combine that with GMO, Chemtrails, 5G, BPA and androgenous society…
They will not stop. Ever.
Could there actually be “something” out there?
Yep.
Could there actually be a “threat”?
Again, yep.
Is it an “organic” occurrence from an
“organic” virus?
No and no.
Perhaps it’s nothing more than the kosher pharmaceutical companies
“flexing” their governmental control?
Re-posting
Thank you.
I hope the president of Italy’s Higher Institute of Health gets massive support from the Italian citizens. He ‘planted the seed’ of truth about invalidity of the situation of “the new virus” and it’s also up to the citizens to spread the message to get the truth out.
It really is so stupid what’s going on in the world right now. Most people just blindly believe what they’re being told from authorities and they’re obedient to do as they’re told as well. They’ve been led to believe that we’re all going to die if we don’t do what governments ask us to do.
The symptoms of this so-called “new virus” have been around for a long time, and they look like these are the effects of GMO’s and other toxic synthetic chemicals that are now being selectively magnified and being used as fear-mongering tactic to make the “CoVid-19” look real.. I hope that, in the end, we all can use this “CoVid-19” situation to gain the ability to see on how we’re being treated by the ones who controls us and finally learn how to think for ourselves.
I hope you, directly or indirectly, are advising POTUS.
The man responsible for counting the coronavirus deaths in Italy has found…two deaths! Some people might call that a clue! There is no spoon.
2 deaths from covid19 in non at risk people…so it is still a culling of the herd of at risk people…but of course nothing like our numbers for car crash, drug overdose, gun shoot, and breast cancer…those tally what: 400 per day?
10 years of opioid overdoses = 400,000. That’s an average of 40,000 per year for a decade…but no one batted an eye lash at that one.
Hi Jon!
Can you please explain all of these bogus numbers?
https://www.corona.help/
Who is pushing this info?
You can hear Bill Gates saying the following in the TED video presentation: “If we do a good job on vaccines we will be able to reduce the global population by 15%?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUJMR3BUm2s&feature=youtu.be&t=157
Bill Gates foundation has been heavily involved in vaccines development. He sponsored the Event 201 pandemic exercise too.
The man is evil incarnated.
Not a fan of bill but that’s not what he meant. He means that by using vaccines and reducing childhood mortality that parents are more likely to have less children because they see not so many are dying to disease’s.
I agree but that does not change the fact that he is a eugenicist
However after seeing how certain communities operate especially with low IQ I can’t say I blame him
Gary Orlando: Where on earth did you hear that load of garbage?? Plamen is right – Gates Foundation are out there pushing dozens of NEW vaccines (but not for their own children).
You really need to read up on this or educate yourself about Billy and Melinda Gates and their “Foundation”. What they are promoting is sinful, evil and downright malicious. They DO want to control the population, but not in the way you’ve described.
Doesn’t make sense. if the overall population is growing it means that a lot more children survive than die. So it should slow down.
Additionally, I will take all populations rates figures coming from Africa with a pinch of salt. There is no way they count properly. Their governments are likely to exaggerate the numbers to get more foreign aid.
Gates, Harvard, WHO and funded by the US Congress, started spraying our atmosphere to “dim the sun,” started two years ago. Absolutely documentable.
Coincidence?
Hardly
Dim the sun, 5g, virus, interesting path.
I still question the whole dimming the sun when there are 8 billion people to feed.
Increasing plant life doesn’t seem to be part of the agenda to save the planet.
Peace to you.
Patricia, haven’t you read his other articles?
The tests for the virus are ambiguous, unreliable and, in fact, completely meaningless.
Whether more people have been dying than normal these past couple of months is unknown but even if they were, there are lots of things that can kill people.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT. FEAR IS ONE OF THEM
Rtp, thanks very much for your various replies and discussions of German New Medicine, something everyone needs to know about
I’m delurking to post something that’s weighed heavily on my mind a lot. I feel it’s something that needs to be discussed.
I’m more and more convinced that GNM offers the correct paradigm for understanding not just the Coronavirus, but all diseases. There’s no other medical model of disease and illness available – that explains all the various symptoms, characteristics, and phenomena associated with “getting sick.” GNM has to be correct in its essentials, and the mainstream medical paradigm incorrect, because the latter has an endless number of loose ends and inexplicable flaws and contradictions that simply can’t be made to fit. Doctors and scientists and constantly cramming square pegs into round holes, and the holes never do get filled. Whereas GNM really does put all the puzzle pieces together.
I believe that it’s imperative that knowledge of GNM makes its way into the mainstream and is seriously debated and discussed. This has to be our mission. Because if that happens, not everyone will be convinced by the new paradigm, to be sure, but enough people will be convinced, enough to take our murderous ruling elite’s trump card away from them. They can’t justify forced vaccinations & quarantines if the very intellectual justification for such measures has been torn away from them.
Every paradigm shift in how we understand the nature of the cosmos always brings political and social change along with it. Science is never something compartmentalized and partitioned away from the rest of life. Bring about a genuine paradigm shift – explain GNM as lucidly and simply as possible for the layman – and the medical and political establishments will lose their authority. The emperor will be seen to have no clothes.
Because I don’t think there’s any other way our side can win. Isolated anecdotes about vaccines causing autism, or the story about Pasteur recanting on his deathbed, just aren’t nearly enough to turn the tide. Only a true paradigm shift – and that’s exactly what Hamer’s GNM provides – can do the trick, I feel. What do you think?
Yes Invisible Man. The simplest problem for anybody attacking germ theory has always been “yes but how do *you* explain disease?”
Every other theory breaks down when it comes to disease clustering (eg siblings coming down with chickenpox or colleagues coming down with flu). But GNM has not only a good explanation of disease clustering, but the only one that fits with the real world. In the real world, doctors rarely share diseases with their patients even though they share lots of their germs. That means that germ theory can be ruled out.
Siblings will share food with each other as well as diseases so that makes it look like hygiene theory makes sense.
However, colleagues don’t share food with each other but they do share diseases. So hygiene theory runs into a massive stumbling block there.
The answer of course lies in the fact that siblings, colleagues and classmates do share emotional traumas. Doctors and patients do not.
So we would expect – if GNM were correct – for siblings to (relatively) frequently share diseases and for colleagues and siblings to do this sometimes too. We would not expect doctors and patients to share each other’s diseases.
And of course, this is exactly what we see.
So all that said.
If you want to make GNM easy for people to understand here are a couple of things.
Focused rashes. It seems odd when you first hear it but it starts to make a lot of sense after a few moments. Have a look at pictures of the disease called “hand foot and mouth” blamed on a virus of course. Note that all epidermis rashes in GNM are the same but the explanation is even easier if you stick with HFM.
In particular, you have a patient with a rash on just their hands (and possibly both feet and mouth). How on earth can a virus explain this? Does the virus rush to one hand, sit and think for a minute “hmmm, this isn’t symmetrical enough for our liking so half of us had better even ourselves out in the corresponding hand”?
Unlikely.
There is only one thing in the universe that knows that the right hand corresponds with the left hand. Our mind.
Note that this argument applies against things like hygiene theory too.
Focused rashes (in the case of HFM we have focused *and* corresponding rashes just to make it even more stark) can only make sense when you have a mind based theory of disease.
Another example to help people understand the idea that physiological “problems” are actually solutions is the notion of “playing possum”. The opossum goes (sub-consciously and involuntarily) into full blown paralysis when it is threatened. It does this because its predators will avoid old meat. So a bizarre and seemingly horrible affliction (we would call it MS or polio) is actually a survival mechanism. The healing phase of MS/polio involves pain. That is why for many people the condition will be chronic (not understanding GNM the healing phase will put them into the same “being trapped” feeling that caused the initial paralysis so MS sufferers vacillate between pain and muscle weakness). Animals don’t understand GNM but they don’t fret about the future either so when they undergo pain they don’t panic so they heal just fine.
GNM is only one part of the jigsaw.
Dis-eases are detoxification processes of the body. Sometimes they can be triggered by environmental impact, sometime they could be psychosomatic (GNM suggests that) but many time they are cyclical and spontaneous.
The spontaneous detoxification is no different going to toilet. Going to the toilet or the opposite constipation can also be psychosomatic but not always.
Great and illuminating comments, Rtp and Plamen. I especially like this remark by Rtp:
“The answer of course lies in the fact that siblings, colleagues and classmates do share emotional traumas. Doctors and patients do not.”
But I return to my earlier remark, since everyone here agrees the Pandemic hysteria is a hoax, how can we persuade the public that it’s a hoax?
I think it’s urgent that a true Paradigm Shift occurs in the consciousness of the public at large. How do we bring it about? We can talk to friends and family, but how do we reach critical mass?
I’m encouraged by this report that 45 percent of the American public surveyed here doubts the safety of vaccines:
https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/vaccines-vaccination/45-percent-surveyed-american-adults-doubt-vaccine-safety
If that’s true, those people are already psychologically primed to hear with an open mind about GNM and Plamen’s detox model. Such people already WANT to believe what GNM has to suggest. If this survey is anywhere near accurate, a lot more people would be receptive to a medical paradigm shift than you might think. It’s just finding a way to get the truth out there that’s the issue.
The main thing blocking many people from abandoning the false germ theory of causation is lack of awareness of any plausible alternative theory, I believe.
Maybe what we need to do is brainstorm ideas about how this can be accomplished. If almost half of adults are already fearful of vaccines, already have misgivings about their safety, a lot of those people will be receptive to new paradigms if lucidly explained. It’s just getting the info out there that’s the challenge, with the MSM acting as a blocking agent and ministry of propaganda.
@ Invisible Man
The statistics are probably right which is why they had to resort to such drastic measures and blow up the lies to such an extent.
How we can spread the word? Well, by spreading the word.
Someone today was telling me that this one is not like a normal flu and a lot more dangerous, to which I asked him:
“How do you know? Have you had it already?”
He could not say a word. Frozen. Then he just left with the painful realization that he has to think for himself.
This is amazing if the quotes are true. Please send a link, I cannot find in google, will try other search engines later but would love a link. Thank you for finding this!!!
Have you seen this?! I’m beginning to lose hope https://www.prisonplanet.com/denmark-passes-law-enabling-forced-coronavirus-vaccinations.html
THIS IS WHY YOU MUST SECURE YOUR SECOND AMENDMENT.
i WISH WE HAD ONE IN CANADA.
We don’t have mandatory vaccinations in Quebec. Yet.
You have a particular relationship with the Crown which is why the Crown can treat you as a chattel. You are pretending to be something the Crown created.
The nature of that relationship can be changed by doing something special, then you can claim your unalienable rights.
You have to create a trust of a higher order using equity, and then you will have the use of the Crown’s creation on your terms.
Sorry it is cryptic but this is just a synopsis of many elements needed to be used.
This is the time when one has to discern between that which is true from the false.
If it is your, or your children’s, fate to be vaccinated with anything, dose yourself hugely with Vitamin C (ascorbate is best, I hear) before, during and after the shot.
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v08n07.shtml
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v11n09.shtml
I second this. But first, pray to God.
YEs…guessing you are reading your KJ Bible…bc, this is prophesied…but, I sure didn’t think it would be in my lifetime…
Remember: we are made in God’s image, and these troubles shall pass.
Have no fear. Trust in JEsus.
God be with you.
Will this scam work a second time? Could be. Although on my front page I saw this ridiculous headline: “Will we have to deal with the coronavirus every year? Oh, is that a hint at future lockdowns? Anyways, if it’s the common cold, then maybe.
I am hoping that more experts come out and point out what is happening. Get people mad that they’ve been conned – not riot mad, but effective action. I, for the moment, will prefer to think that this thing is so shaky that maybe just maybe, those with at least mininum brain power will start to react with action, positive action.
I too, would like to thank Jon Rappaport. I hope many many people read his blog.
My room mate just this morning was saying that thousands of people are dying in Italy. When she’s calmed down a bit, I’m going to show her this. She’ll be rather angry, and try to make it seem like two deaths are a Very Major Crisis. It isn’t.
“I am hoping that more experts come out and point out what is happening. Get people mad that they’ve been conned – not riot mad, but effective action.”
I agree – but how can that be done? Maybe we need a simple and easy to understand message – like, “The tests don’t work. The tests don’t show what they’re purported to show.” Anything too complex and most people just tune out.
If we can actually show this to be a con, a lie, a hoax, maybe it will finally wake enough people up as to how corrupt and worthless the MSM is.
How about “how did they know the virus was new (to humans)?”
Most people tune out when they hear anything just a little complex or thought-provoking because they’ve been dumbed down by our public education system. Then, in colleges and universities across the country, they were brainwashed by liberal academia who themselves were brainwashed.
The links go to the website, but I’ve been unable to find an article. Every search returns me to “about us”. Can you please assist? Thanks!
https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/coronavirus-can-survive-in-the-air-for-3-hours-on-surfaces-for-2-3-days/702209
just read this… wasn’t the surface like 10+ days at one point? this is really getting entertaining… popcorn time!
Well, national propaganda radio claims some ridiculous stuff according to their study:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/14/811609026/the-new-coronavirus-can-live-on-surfaces-for-2-3-days-heres-how-to-clean-them
If I’m remembering correctly, all those inflated numbers were coming from China researchers. They are the main culprits of:
1) 28 survival time of virus on surfaces
2) reinfection after healing from virus
3) dogs and cats being infected
4) asymptomatic super spreaders
So weird that they would try to pump up the fear like that during their own epidemic, right? They must be having a grand time watching the US flailing like this.
Yes, it was. Pretty soon the numbers will change again, too, just wait and see.
It’s a major con-job.
“There may be only two people who died from coronavirus in Italy, who did not present other pathologies.”
So the rest who died from Covid-19 had other patholgies (other illnesses). Am I reading this right ?
That first sentence is confusing as to its intent. What is he trying to say ?
This Italian article/headline is actually a bit misleading. The ISS did a study of about 200 Covid-positive corpses (of about 1000 at the time) and found 2 without other pathologies. So that’s about 1% without other pathologies. But the ISS didn’t say the others didn’t die from Covid. They simply don’t know yet.
A Swiss physician discusses this and other issues regarding the Italian situation: http://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
That is much much clearer. Thanks.
How in the world are they going to make the judgment it was Covid-19 or pre-condition for those infected is beyond me. But then I am not a doctor.
Take Care
You are being misleading. There is no such thing as Covid-positive. No test exists that can ever prove such a thing.
In addition, one cannot prove a negative. The burden of proof is on the one claiming virulency.
And furthermore, I could swab your throat and analyze it and probably find a large range of viruses and bacteria because viruses and bacteria work in the human body all the time in small amounts. Coronaviruses are nothing new and are not a danger. Viruses occur from within, not from without.
In Germany they now have check points where they take swab people’s throats and there and then decide if they are allowed to continue with their journey or not.
Just think about the implications of all this!
They can’t ‘detect’ a virus. There is no such thing as a virus outside the human mind. What they DO find are antigens that bind to the cells, supposedly when a ‘virus’ is active in the body.
No, they have never actually seen a ‘virus’ in a microscope. They don’t exist. That’s why there are only two types of ‘virus tests’, the Influenza A and B. Because all these clowns know is that there are two different types of formations appearing when they THINK a ‘virus’ is active.
Essentially, they ignore potential common-causes (such as a natural reaction to other inherent or preexisting condition) to ASSUME that a ‘virus’ is present.
Go on, ask any of these bonhead PhD’s what a virus looks like in a microscope. It’s all psuedo-science.
Viruses exist, you are just allowing yourself to be deceived by believing everything they tell you is a lie. They mix lie with truth. A lot of what they claim is only partly true, and that must be recognized at the beginning or you are setting yourself up for self-deception. I agree that it is not easy to observe viruses, but they can be observed. However, they are only observed in petri-dish environments that exist outside the human body, therefore the observation is in error.
Viruses are manufactured by cells when tissue is too toxic for living microbial janitors such as bacteria, fungi, and parasites to consume and eliminate because that tissue is too toxic for them to eat without being poisoned to death. Viruses (non-living proteins) are then manufactured by each cell as a solvent to dissolve that toxicity. Viruses are very important processes of our body. Don’t deceive yourself into this idea that viruses are not real—they are real, and they are our helpers and healers. Without viruses, we would devolve into systemic toxicity and die.
Now I get it, Our noodles should be sent back to somewhere over east and what will be our karma be when pizza heist is discovered?
Jon you are rockin, such clarity and laughs all rolled into one. My lungs feel might better now.
Brilliant—absolutely brilliant!
The 17 year social experiment has concluded … SARS, H5N1, Swine Flu, Coronavirus = Conditioning complete … The Pavlov Dogs shall now panic on command
1,000 thumbs up, Wayne! You are soooooo right.
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT THERE IS STILL PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS WORLD?
THINK ABOUT THAT.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, THERE WAS NO DOCTORS NO HOSPITALS, NO SO CALLED MEDICAL EXPERTS.
BUT THEY SURVIVED AND ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THEY LIVED LONGER THAN US. THEY WERE CAPABLE OF ADAPTING TO THEIR ENVIRONMENTS.
SOME WILL SAY THAT THERE WAS NO POLLUTION AT THAT TIME, STILL THEY HAD BIGGER PROBLEMS THAN US.
The biggest ever change that had THE most profound effect on humans and all living things is … electricity. All problems stem from it. We should have never touched the stuff.
The Amish got it right. Electricity has a demonic nature.
True. It’s wireless transmissions that disrupt the human bodies natural frequency. All humans, particularly the brain, resonate at a certain frequency, your thoughts and brain literally depend upon the bodies ability to maintain that frequency. Most ‘wireless’ technology completely scrambles these frequencies, making the person anodyne, stupid, dull, easily led. This isn’t just a 5G thing. Everything from the common micro-wave you have in the kitchen makes you stupid, unable to think, and reverts one back to animistic tendency.
Wireless is the tip of the iceberg.
Electricity is not supposed to be harnessed by humans – it’s demonic. That is why the evil is prevailing because we accept it and enjoy its supposed benefits.
Just because there is one aspect of something that can be used for wrong, does not mean you claim the whole of it is ‘demonic’—that is wholly backward thinking and demonic in itself. Electricity is part of nature—our own bodies are electric. All problems stem from certain individuals holding their power and knowledge over other weaker individuals who are complacent toward the truth. That is what is called the secret brotherhood, which exists under many names, and has existed for thousands of years. Electricity was not responsible for the world’s problems such as war, anger, hate, thousands of years ago, because it did not exist.
“Most ‘wireless’ technology completely scrambles these frequencies, making the person anodyne, stupid, dull, easily led.”
The human mind has been like this forever. In its natural state, it is easily misled by nefarious forces and subject to manipulation in its state of ignorance, because humans were/are mostly benevolent creatures with free will that can enact harm upon others if they so choose. When will mankind blame mankind itself for their inability to seek the truth and impart goodwill toward their neighbor?
@ J.B.
Try to find Rudolf Steiner’s writing on the nature of electricity.
Rudolf Steiner was a gnostic. He believed in the gnostic belief in Archons, which are not real.
Anthony Storr stated about Rudolf Steiner’s Anthroposophy: “His belief system is so eccentric, so unsupported by evidence, so manifestly bizarre, that rational skeptics are bound to consider it delusional.”
I agree.
Steiner was founder and leader of the following:
His independent Esoteric School of the Theosophical Society, founded in 1904.
A lodge called Mystica Aeterna within the Masonic Order of Memphis and Mizraim, which Steiner led from 1906 until around 1914. Steiner added to the Masonic rite a number of Rosicrucian references.
He was a Gnostic and Freemason, and Rosicrucian. He was part of the brotherhood of Freemasons.
You’ve been misled into believing ‘demonic’ forces outside man’s own body and mind can control man against his own will and are responsible, instead of man’s own free will and choosing freely to do harm. Man has a mind from God that can be used for good or bad—no demons necessary. To claim electricity is demonic, a natural force of nature, is devoid of intelligent reasoning. Steiner claims it is so, and provides no rational reason, other than to say it is so.
For instance, I might say: Water is evil because it can be used for evil; Therefore, water is evil. — there is no rationality behind this statement. I could even reason that such a statement is demonic in itself because it belittles and demeans the natural creation of God. Perhaps such fearful minds have led people into believing this nonsense and have thusly developed the irrational spirit of fear of man and of God.
He claims: “For electric atoms are little demons of Evil.” If you believe that, then you also believe nature and God himself are both evil—for did the atom not originate from God? Yes. People like him that espouse this false doctrines’ main goal is to suppress the creative power given by God to mankind.
“As modern men who do not proceed in accordance with old traditional ideas, but in accordance with reality, we would come across the fact that the electric element in Nature is endowed with morality in the same way in which moral impulses are endowed with life, with a life of Nature…”
Only man has what is called ‘morality’. Take man out of the equation and there is no good nor evil—only nature and only reality. Reality is reality—not some fantasy vision of fear and evil and repression that Steiner sees. These people call God a fool more or less by creating man with such error. Who is in error… man, or God. Explore that.
COVID-ID death announced today in Ontario.
“This person had other physical problems that may have caused the death”
Imagine that.
As reported:
“Ontario’s Ministry of Health has confirmed the first death related to COVID-19 in the province.
The 77-year-old man who died tested positive for the virus after coming in close contact with another positive case at a Barrie, Ont. hospital.
The COVID-19 was detected in their system post-death, Christine Elliott, Ontario’s health minister, said in an interview with Global News Tuesday.
This person had other physical problems that may have caused the death. We just don’t know yet.”
This seems the only place where the corona panic coolaid has not been drunk
2020. May Truth RIP. After a long illness, alt. Media passed on and joined MSM. Both have ascended from this world and are no longer constrained by truth and facts. For those left on earth, maybe we can return to the days of underground news letters because the DOD-ARAPNET created internet is obviously under martial law.
For aliens enroute to Earth hoping to meet intelligent life and likely monitoring communications, so sorry you have made the long trip. As you can see there is no longer any intelligent life here on Earth, must be a virus or something. Go home ET, lest you get infected as well.
At least you don’t get everything you post censored on Age of Autism. I tried to ask there how the researchers knew that the virus was “novel” and they posted it, let Eindecker respond (terribly) and then deleted my initial post and refused to post my counter-response.
But cia – who has never seen medical propaganda she didn’t love – gets to post her fearmongering drivel 24/7.
The editors there are upset because I continually point out that, if germs were dangerous then visiting a doctor would be suicide. It’s ok to be a paid pharma company spokersperson there but heaven forfend you question the glorious germ theory.
At the very least, this hysteria has given us a very strong delineation. Pretty much every notable person has drawn a line in the sand on one side or the other. Those who are wrong (ie the hysterics) will have to spend the rest of their lives fumbling around for excuses.
i’ve been trying IRC hoping to find other ‘red pillers’ to converse with. it would be great to get a lot of us on one channel like freenode/##information. try kiwiirc web IRC for a non-intrusive IRC experience.
i’ve also been telling people about Jon’s articles. The kid at the vape store was very informed.
Just wait till allergy season hits in another month , people will be on ventilators for pollen…oh my .
I thought the 1st Corona Baloney blog was over the top hilarious/informative, but this 2nd Corona Bolagna bit blows that one away. “Karma,Ghost of Martin Luther, Marco Polo noodle theft.” I pray that Silvio Brusaferros life is not ruined due to his honest reporting of facts. You, Jon, are a prophet (which are usually silenced by persecution.) Hope you and Silvio are not declared Anathema by the Pope, or worse, suffer excommunication from the long arm of Censorship.
What Pope? AntiPope “Francis”? Get serious. The “Novus Ordo” publicly esteems, “excuses”, defends and teaches “atheism”, Jewism, Mahometanism, and protestantism and esteems, “excuses”, and defends all other Jew-Mahometan-protestant pagan sects, all other inFidels, and all their false “religions”. Vatican celebrated Jew-Mahometan-protestantism and put the Masonic “infiltrator” criminal Martin Luther’s ugly fat face on their “Official” stamp on Samhain 2017.
for those who can not find the link
https://www.agenzianova.com/a/5e6bcf1da7fbe3.23491954/2851060/2020-03-13/coronavirus-iss-in-italia-i-decessi-accertati-finora-per-causa-del-covid-19-sono-solo-due
I believe from Jons quote this is the article he is referring to.
The Irish gov. wants to legislate for internment:
https://www.gov.ie/en/news/18ef45-government-approves-legislation-to-support-national-response-to-covi/
Wow, it didn’t take very long after Denmark. Thank you for the update.
I don’t think this makes sense. I think you are saying that most would have died anyway, in other words that Corona was present but wasn’t the cause. And therefore say over the year, the number of deaths won’t be more than usually expected. However the bodies are piling up in Italy, and the hospitals are overflowing. So for sure, more people are dieing than would normally be expected, so Corona is “causing” a lot more deaths, its just those deaths are people with pre-existing conditions, which we knew anyway.
How do I know the death stats?
This site follows them.
https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html
I don’t how reliable they are but it shows no spikes in mortality anywhere in the world.
You don’t know this.
ICUs are overflowing because everybody with a sniffle is being sent there rather than being sent home with a pack of Tylenol. Jon already had an article about this very thing. As for death rates, I think you will find that if you did a long term trend you will find little difference in the past few months of Italian deaths.
At any rate, even if death rates are higher than normal so what? The stress on the population of quarantine is enormous and will no doubt cause deaths – not to mention if any of those suspected of having the “virus” are given aggressive medical treatments which may well kill them.
There are lots of ways that people can die. Old age, heart attacks, car crashes, stress/panic, medical poisoning.
One way that is not possible though is a virus.
There is mortality data for last weeks (all-cause deaths) and they do not show a peak for the whole EU or Italy alone. If anything it is less than usual. But we have to wait a bit so the numbers are confirmed because of possible delayed registrations, if I understand correctly.
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Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg says:
“The corona hype is not based on any extraordinary public health danger. However, it causes considerable damage to our freedom and personal rights through frivolous and unjustified quarantine measures and restrictions. The images in the media are frightening and the traffic in China’s cities seems to be regulated by the clinical thermometer.”
“Evidence-based epidemiological assessment is drowning in the mainstream of fear mongers in labs, media, and ministries.”
Agreed…this is pretty interesting… might make the numbers moot…
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/does-2019-coronavirus-exist
On the 13th Three Wise Men had an announcement to the World,
https://hotcopper.com.au/threads/coronavirus-three-wise-men-crack-the-code-now-to-save-the-world.5284648/
On the 16th there was this cracker of a discovery,
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12059266
Today they announced a person taking a Covid-19 vaccine.
https://www.today.com/health/coronavirus-vaccine-test-opens-1st-doses-seattle-t176134
Amazing !!!!
God help us all!
I don’t know whether to call the CoV “crisis” a PANICDEMIC or a SCAMDEMIC.
Both are worthy of being added to the list.
Thank you for the word play, Gracie.
scamdemic–good one!!
Yes!!! Haha!
Now we have it on record. Italians are more afraid of the corona virus than they are of God.
The ruling class can’t lose. There is no public protest over their vicious restrictions, not even a little bit of skepticism. Even though viruses are not contagious, the rulers can lift the restrictions whenever they please and say the restrictions worked.
If I’m reading this right, the scaremongering will continue until they have sufficient vaccine stock. Then it’s cows off to the slaughterhouse.
I remember when the swine flu came out when Ford was president. Everybody in my office got one but me. I was criticized by a couple of coworkers.
True. I live in Venice. The locals are suspicious of US for passing on this information.
CORONAVIRUS HOAX PROVEN? CHINA NOW 100 PERCENT BACK TO WORK
Fortune 500 company executive exposes shocking developments
Infowars.com – MARCH 17, 2020
PLUS VIDEO IN THIS ARTICAL
Any ideas for how this insane juggernaut of a hoax/pretext-for-vaccination/5G can be stopped? At one time I thought Trump would stop chemtrails and maga etc… but he’s going along with the shutdown.
Some say he’s rounding up bad people during this time but last time I thought about it, I did not believe ends justify means. I don’t believe in the Noble Lie either.
Maybe millions of individual people as indpendent thinkers/doers can stop it all, I don’t know.
Anyone claiming that this is some sort of operations to round up criminals is a few cards short of a full deck. Trump lost my vote when he was misled by nefarious forces around him and shut down travel from Europe. And he and his administration will continue to institute unconstitutional restrictions on the American people. He is ignorant toward health, period. He is a germaphobe after all.
TRUMP IS MOT ignorant. HE IS PLAYING THE GLOBALIST WHO WANTS HIM OUT.
READ AND WATCH THE VIDEO THAT I HAVE POSTED ABOVE.
YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT HE IS PLAYING THEM.
AND REMEMBER THAT TRUMP ALWAYS LOOK LIKE HE IS GOING TO LOOSE BEFORE HE WINS.
I disagree, but I also see why you would assume this. What we are seeing is the final framework of the New World Order taking place. There is no way Trump is playing them. It wouldn’t take place like this if he was. Infowars is also untrustworthy in this regard because they agree with Trump on literally every move more or less. And yes, he is very much ignorant toward health. He has surrounded himself with CDC liars and is hinging upon their every word. Look, as truth seekers, we have to call a spade a spade. If Trump is stepping out of bounds, he must be called out. I believe he is not what you think he is, and that is the unfortunate reality. We will not get out of this as easily as you think, and Trump certainly will not do it for us because he does not know the true nature of the enemy.
JB, words of wisdom!
I disagree with you a 100 percent.
Trump knows that all this is a fraud.But he pretends that he believe it because otherwise they would remove him.
So what he is really doing is preparing some actions that would be very useful if a REAL VIRUS ever comes to the USA.
Trump does know the true nature of the enemy. This is the reason why he decided to run for president. He wants to drain the swamp of the world.
Trump is a genius. He thinks big.
PS; Forgive my English spelling, I am French.
I agree with most of what you are saying, but Trump did expose this as a hoax early on and he was attacked greatly for that.
We just cannpt know what pressures he is under. Being a politician means compromise.
Please post link to video again here… I can’t find the one above. Thx.
I made a comment here just now about taking Vitamin C if you are doomed to be vaccinated. I forgot to add:
The best thing to do, is add 1/2 tsp of baking soda to 1 tsp. of ascorbic acid. Add water and stir until it stops fizzing. Then drink. That would, as far as I can figure, be a mixture of sodium ascorbate + a bit of unreacted ascorbic acid, maybe.
Some recipes as regards ratio of baking soda to powdered vitamin c are different, as follows, but I prefer my ratio. The full reacted sodium ascorbate drink doesn’t taste good. It is slimy.
https://organicbiomama.com/make-sodium-ascorbate-home-make-buffered-vitamin-c-using-ascorbic-acid-baking-soda
I would recommend against taking pure ascorbic acid in water. It is a recipe for rotting your teeth if you do this enough. In any case, do some reading and make up your own mind.
You can buy tasty fruit flavored tablets for the children, which are made up of both ascorbate + pure vitamin C + natural sweetener. I would not use the tabs with artificial sweeteners.
If you’re doomed to be vaxxed, should you not have the right to self defense by sticking the stabber back? Isn’t that simple self-defense?
It’s hard to disagree with your logic.
However, the government (the party mandating vaccination) has its own logic. Namely, that you could become a “carrier” of a “killer virus”; therefore “society” needs to be “protected”. And if you are so antisocial that you don’t care about your fellow human, then you don’t have any right to stick the stabber back. Jail follows.
I think the most important phrase for us non-hysterics over the next few months will be:
“Bear Patrol!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm2W0sq9ddU
As we fail to witness millions of people dying over this and people start to wonder what happened you can be sure that all the hysterics will tell us that if it weren’t for their heroic, totalitarian actions we would have experienced all their predictions and worse.
We can’t let them get away with it.
Agree 100% : “We can’t let them get away with it.”
I’m sorry to sound like I’m on autopilot, but this is why I urge everyone here to take a bit of time each day to brainstorm ideas of how to get certain key memes into the mainstream. Ideas and memes like:
“The test does not do what it’s purported to do.”
(Notice how they waited for PCR creator Kary Mullis to die, last year, before launching this ultimate panic? Wouldn’t want the very creator of the technique coming out to throw cold water on their pandemic panic, would we?)
“The reported death toll figures don’t add up.”
“The SARS scare, the Ebola plague, ubiquitous AIDS, the return of measles, swine flu, all fizzled out, these doomsday scenarios never came to pass. Why should this be different?”
“A credible alternative to Germ Theory already exists – German New Medicine.”
If we can get people to associate Germ Theory with draconian control, crushing of free speech, Soviet style policing, and 1984, while also associating GNM with freedom, security, intimacy, and fearlessness, that could change everything. The elite lose their ultimate trump card.
Great idea. Another thought-started… Start asking around your contacts… “What test was used?”.
The fact the numbers change so often shows on what “solid science” they are based.
Just make them up as you go.
Fudge the bought-and-paid-for-science to provide the desired result of the day.
Today it’s 1+1=3, tomorrow 1+1=5, next week 1+1=1,000,000.
The day after that the colour of grass is blue, forget about green, that was yesterday. Add a bit of propaganda, and within a month people will accept it was never any other way. A common cold? Never heard of it, it’s COVID-19 that requires a vaccine, isn’t it?
InvisibleMan, above, started developing questions we can use to get people thinking instead of accepting. Another one your comment made me think of is…
“How can they tell the difference between a common cold and corona virus… do you know”?
It sounds like a set up for a joke.
meanwhile, here in australia, each day sees some new government restrictions on our population. now they are importing more testing kits and beginning to make ‘alternative’ testing kits here in australia. the name of the company making these is “med con”!!! that says it all.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/coronavirus-testing-kits-coming-australia-mass-gatherings/12063752
Please set up communication with Pres. Trump, please. This side of things has got to enter seriously into the equation, and this seriously damaging fiasco has got to die out, quickly, like yesterday. Reblogging this one. Thank you Jon.
My thought this morning too– This fiasco must end yesterday. It’s gone too far.
I couldn’t sleep well last night, I discovered my nervous tension on the computer keyboard this morning as I kept hitting wrong keys… and at Fry’s grocery store with increasingly empty shelves, I felt some tears welling up in the bottom of my eyes.
A part of my mind is having bad reactions after binge shopping for two days to supply myself for 15 or 30 days. I intentionally quit doing that this morning and am now shopping just for replacements.
Trump must declare an end to this today– I turned the radio off in Phoenix when it was announced that level one fema is now in place– the highest level. I mean– really? Not for me it isn’t.
I have not seen trucks with electronics ready to install 5G as in previous weeks. No chemtrails especially but then it IS overcast with rainclouds… and drizzly here.
Normal commuter morning traffic on my street seems to not be there. Muzak at the grocery store not on. Manager said re-supply trucks come at night but they can’t get full loads. It’s already being rationed among the Fry’s stores. Shelves still emptying out.
Older lady in her 70’s or 80’s ahead of me… bought 10 bottles of wine obviously stocking up on that. I passed the Johnny Walker scotch whisky I’ve been considering but careful about since it’s 40%. I stared at it momentarily, with the thought that IF things got a LOT worse, that I should provide the possibility for myself to go that direction if I needed to. With ICU’s full of people with common cold, what if I had a sudden injury? Booze would be a thing to have on hand just in case, just like in old western movies.
I’ve thought about that too, even though I HATE alcohol…it tastes like bug spray to me, even the “good” stuff. I’ve noticed that liquor is the one thing in ample supply, no hoarding of that, yet. Getting drunk to oblivion might not seem like such a bad idea if things keep going like this. Imagine…some people got some flu-like thing—with people having had flus and other bouts of more serious illness since time began—and the world is all in chaos, economies at risk, store shelves emptied, media shouting Red Alert, etc. Absolutely insane. Someone really does need to declare that this temporary (extra) insanity is OVER…I wish it would be Trump, but it seems he’s reluctantly going along with his advisors, so far.
Oh I forgot: Schools closed, predicted for months, governments talking martial law to keep people from going out, and more…in the USA. We need a real hero in power to pronounce, “No more of this nonsense, this is over and done with and we’re getting back on track.”
Ron Paul came out with a short 5 min youtube on the 17th calling the corona virus a hoax. He referred to, of course, the unconstitutionaliy of all the shutdowns… I have not checked in with Rand, his son, but both are POTENTIAL political leaders- along with the LIBERTARIAN PARTY which, perhaps, can mount a total resistance and BACK ON TRACK campaign. I’ll look into it a bit more today…
Rick, I feel for you. This too shall pass. You are not the only one.
Throw away the fear. Fear is what got this whole mess started. Fear is corrosive. A good walk, some good music, time away from the net, can really boost one’s thoughts in a better direction.
This may sound strange nowadays, but I find a bible and turning to God helps.
Hoping you feel better soon
Anyone having problems posting comments?
Not me BUT… yesterday morning, Jon’s articles would not load like normal on my browser. I was able to see the website but the articles timed out after not fetching them. I suggest we-all-here, including Jon, create an alternative forum in case this one goes down. Or have Jon make sure he can contact us on email for email letter. Probably would be good to have some sort of back up, no? I thought for sure that he had been hacked and taken down. Word of his excellent research is spreading.
This is the smoking gun for the ongoing hoax. Clearly, the only pandemic is fear itself.
Trump is toast as a result of going along with this instead of stopping that. I was of two minds yesterday, thinking that maybe lockdown is needed to stop deep state but then remembered that ends don’t justify means from my philosophy 101 course at McMaster in 1978.
https://images1.dallasobserver.com/imager/u/original/11819738/trump-is-toast-milk-photo.jpg
Trump is not toast, only a never Trumper could believe that.
He is working nights and days to try to fix this Hoax
It seem to me that you would have prefer Hillary Clinton or Pelosi to deal whit it.
Trump will win 2020 election with more electoral votes than he got in the last election.
No, not true. You’re jumping to a conclusion here and normally you appear to think things through rather well in this forum.
So I go in circles on this. Yesterday, it seemed to me that he was toast. Today, I’m reading TOMATO BUBBLE and the author of that site pointed to Trump and his “white hats”.
Are you familiar with the white hats?
Also, Trump, in a presser this morning, said he’s “delaying pulling the trigger” on some sort of national effort. I didn’t quite catch it. This might be a sign that he’s moderating his effort in his undercover white hat work.
So maybe he’s NOT toast. But he called this whole thing a hoax a few weeks ago, yet has bought into the corona stats. He could be HERE reading Jon Rappaport and citing him! His “online social media” acumen with twitter has not extended to participating in this forum, unfortunately.
Well, he fell directly into their trap. I knew he would all along. He has done it more than once. If he knew better, he would have said “I will not violate my oath of office by going against the US Constitution, and I will not stop the free will of the American people over a threat that is no worse than yearly flu. I will not restrict travel and movement of Americans to prevent them from making a living, period. Even if everyone keels over, I will not do so.”
Great speech writing! As well, Ron Paul made a video the other day called Corona virus hoax, searchable on youtube. The Paul’s are involved in national govn’t and their LIBERTARIAN efforts could be used by Trump right now. Trump needs new friends.
Jon,
There is a huge piece of this that you and your readers need to understand, and that is the financial motivation for this “pandemic.”
Under our noses, the powers that shouldn’t be have been building a policy and financial infrastructure to implement “pay for success” bonds.
The idea of these bonds is that you take a social or health problem – I’m an educator, so lets use third grade reading as an example – and the lenders (Goldman Sachs for example) say: “Okay, we will loan you x million of dollars to get your kids reading at a third grade level. If they do, then we’ve saved you xx million dollars in special ed costs and everything else you would have had to spend because of these non-reading misfits, so you now need to pay us back what we loaned you plus interest.”
Then they take those loans, bundle them up into asset-backed securities, and trade them around like they did with mortgages.
HUGE MONEY. UNTHINKABLY HUGE.
So how does this connect to corona? Wel,l they want to offer these kinds of loans for any social ill (real or imagined) that they think will pay a dividend. And pandemics pay HUGE money in terms of projected value.
Here’s a quote from a white paper written Dr. Tom Frieden, who Bloomberg has tapped to run his Corona Virus Global Response Initiative:
“Unfortunately, preparedness, although more effective and less costly than response,5 rarely ranks high on political agendas. Competing priorities for finite national budgets, along with the invisible outcome of successful preparedness, have resulted in little funding, despite an estimated 25%–88% annual return on investment.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6730581/
Okay so what this means is that these billionaires are looking at the possibility of a pandemic and going “Okay, we can tell local governments that if we loan then x million of dollars, we will save them xx million in money they would have had to spend to deal with it. So we can expect a HUGE return on our investment. and then take that money, bundle it up into securities, and play with it.”
HUGE MONEY. HUGE.
Almost enough to justify a global pandemic scare like the one we are seeing now.
It’s all about money. All of it.
Spread the word.
Pandemic Bonds
https://www.forbes.com/sites/amiyatoshpurnanandam/2020/02/28/pandemic-bonds/
Someone (Vollmer?) suggested that Italy is being targeted in order to oust the ‘bad boy’ anti-vaccine Minister of Health.
https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaccine-italian-government-sacks-entire-health-expert-board-1242759
Seconded. Thank you for the link.
Is this the press conference at issue?
http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioVideoNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=italiano&menu=multimedia&p=video&id=2072
Alternate link: https://youtu.be/jy_arbNKcww
Does anybody speak Italian so we can verify what he said?
Fact check – TRUE!
This Italian Twitter user cites the 4:08 minute mark of that video(https://youtu.be/jy_arbNKcww) as the money quote:
https://twitter.com/serafinobandini/status/1238634597736423424?s=20
“[Delle persone decedute] soltanto 2 non sono risultate, al momento, portatrici di patologie.”
“[Of the deceased persons] only 2 were not, at the moment, carriers of pathologies.”
Can we dispense with the niceties and call this what it actually is?
MEDICAL TERRORISM.
I know for a fact that Italy had one of the lowest vaccine compliance rates..i also know that flu shots routinely given to the elderly, especially forced on those in care facilities actually can exacerbate underlying health conditions (like heart disease, diabetes, etc) making them more at risk not less.
We also are aware that the CDC was twisting it’s panties over the abysmally low rates of flu shot compliance in the US…as stated in “Healthy People 2020” they wanted to get compliance to 90%. It didn’t happen so now the entire globe is being held hostage and terrorized by these institutions.
Wolfgang Wodarg- German physician who blew the whistle on the Swine flu “pandemic” (and i think he may have sued the WHO) is saying this one is also a hoax.
https://www.wodarg.com/
Like a typical doctor, he think that viruses constantly mutate to make people sick.
THERE HAS “apparently” NEVER BEEN A PROPER PLACEBO CONTROLLED STUDY TO PROVE the EFFICACY OF VACCINES. 😳
Ironically pro-vaxxers in turn claim that it would be “unethical” to demand a study comparing placebo to vaccines.
SEE for example the FOLLOWING VIDEO, in “WITCH” Colleen Boyle of the CDC 💡 admits to Rep. Posey, 💡 THAT……
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PLACEBO STUDY that COMPARES VACCINATED TO UNVACCINATED
17 second VIDEO 🙂
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=321723
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Top Scientists Working for the U.S. Government Do NOT Vaccinate Their Own Kids
SEPTEMBER 27, 2018
Welcome to Los Alamos, NEW MEXICO, where OUR COUNTRY’S MOST SCIENTIFICALLY LITERATE FAMILIES ARE AVOIDING VACCINES LIKE the PLAGUE.
by S.D. Wells
Meanwhile, the infected “vaxxers” are all throwing poisoned fits, wondering why all the “sheeple” aren’t following the rest of the “herd” like they’ve been summoned to do by the script-fed mass media and the morally corrupted CDC.
Could this phenomenon be gaining momentum because hundreds of parents in that New Mexico community are employed at Los Alamos Labs and the Los Alamos National Laboratory, where extensive research is done on vaccines?
SCIENCE GENIUSES ARE OPTING OUT OF VACCINES – why ❓
Wait, isn’t it a cold hard fact that America has “settled the science” on vaccines?
Didn’t the CDC swear up and down that Polio, Shingles, Smallpox and Influenza (seasonal flu) can all be avoided by injecting aluminum, mercury and African Green Monkey kidney cells into the muscle tissue in your arm?
Hold on a second, DID YOU STILL THINK the CDC REMOVED MERCURY FROM ALL CHILDHOOD VACCINE$ ❓
THEY DIDN’T. THAT WAS A BOLD-FACED LIE. 😳
The mercury-laced flu shot is highly recommended by the CDC for all pregnant women and infants just six months young.
Should you be wondering right now why the ROTAVIRUS VACCINE called Rotateq IS LACED WITH TWO STRAINS OF A DEADLY PIG VIRUS CALLED….CIRCOvirus ❓
Yes, you should be very concerned. These facts are just a few solid reasons why PEOPLE WHO STUDY VACCINES …..DO NOT GET INJECTED WITH THEM….NOR DO THEY HAVE THEIR BRILLIANT CHILDREN GET JABBED WITH KNOWN NEUROTOXIN$.
https://thinkaboutit.site/gathering/top-scientists-working-for-the-u-s-government-do-not-vaccinate-their-own-kids/
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Whooping cough outbreak swept through 100% vaccinated school.
Tuesday, December 24, 2019
https://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2019/12/whooping-cough-outbreak-swept-through-100-vaccinated-school-2653308.html
Do you know the stated reason for the vaccine study is unethical? Most people dont! Here is the exact reason as stated by plotkin himself in his deposition.
He stated it is unethical to do the study because he and his cronies state that they feel it is unethical for the general to put their lives in danger by not receiving their vaccines so they feel they should never do it because the study is putting people at risk.
THIS COMING FROM A PERSON THAT DOESNT VACCINE HIMSELF HIS FAMILY OR RELATIVES. ALL INVOLVED DO NOT (Let me repeat that) D.O. N.O.T. VACCINATE THEMSELVES OR THEIR FAMILYS AND CLOSE ONES!!
Let that sink in!
Thanks for those, will have to read them.
Many would be surprised at the level of education most of the people who do not vaccinate have.
I am pretty certain that i had a reaction to a vaccine as an infant because i spiked a wicked fever and nearly died.(not a fan, in fact not a fan of the medical establishment who went on to nealry kill me a couple more times)
A relatives two kids were in the gifted range until they had to start school and got vaccinations..now they are in special ed. The little boy would wake up and scream and scream and only driving him around in the car would help him sleep.How many lives wasted?
There is a chance this covid 19 COULD be a real epidemic AND IN LIGHT OF THAT TAKE ALL PRECAUTIONS..but do not trust anything else.
Stay well
Medical terrorism. That is precisely what this is. Well said.
Jon, J.B., Plamen, Rtp. Special thanks for you gentlemen. Very effective de-toxification from modern medicine paradigm. Everything I “knew” before was wrong. Frustrating.
We’re all learning on the go and as fast as possible as time is running out! God help us all!
My experience with the city of Austin Travis County:
In regard to a missive posted, in Nextdoor.com, I messaged the Austin Travis County representative:
Started on 3/13
(ME)
Presumptive and Confirmed are not the same thing.
Please do not fearmonger in my emails.
Communications & Public Info Office, , City of Austin
(TravisCounty)
Hi Anne, thank you for reaching out. We say “presumptive” because Austin Public Health has received three positive tests from state labs. Full confirmation has to come from a CDC test. Those will happen in the coming days.
(ME)
You cannot presume to say it will come in the coming days; a confirmation/ If a test is not yet done, a test cannot be presumed confirmed, and for ths reason, I find this to be terribly irresponsible reporting. It is not (yet, at all) confirmed. Yet, due to the way this was written, people are terrified, in Austin. I had at least three point to this report as confirmation. It isn’t. It is presumed. They are not the same thing and I am disgusted by what seems to be trickery in posting.
(So, yeah, that happened.)
As I don’t know “Agenzia Nova” and its credibility, I thought better get the info from the horse’s month. So on the webiste of thie, here is the latest news translated from their lastest press release. Here it is reproduced in full.
“SS, March 13, 2020
The lethality (understood as the number of deaths out of the total sick) of Covid-19 in Italy is currently 5.8%. This was stated by the Report of the Istituto Superiore di Sanità on the characteristics of patients who died positive for COVID-19 in Italy, just published on the Epicentro website. The average age of deceased and positive COVID-19 patients is 80 years, about 15 years higher than the positive ones and women are 28.4%.
Two COVID-19 positive patients died under the age of 40. It is 1 person of 39 years of age, male, with pre-existing psychiatric diseases, diabetes and obesity, who died at home and 1 person of 39 years of age, female, with pre-existing neoplastic diseases deceased in the hospital. Women who died after COVID-19 infection are older than men (median ages: women 84.2 – men 80.3) and lethality increases markedly after the age of 70.
“The lethality stratified by age group is not higher than that of other countries – underlines Graziano Onder, director of the Department of cardiovascular, dysmetabolic and aging diseases -. We discount a very high average age and a significant percentage of the population that has multiple pathologies, a factor that increases the risk of death. It is no coincidence that the average number of pathologies observed in the deceased is 2.7 “.
Some more details on lethality are present in the epidemiological bulletin ( https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Bollettino-sorvisory-integrata-COVID-19_12-marzo-2020.pdf ) always published on the epicenter. In men, lethality is higher, 7.2%, while in women it is 4.1%. The difference in the number of cases reported by sex gradually increases in favor of male subjects up to the age group ≥70-79. In the age group ≥ 90 years the number of female cases exceeds that of male cases probably due to the demographic structure of the population.”
So: yes, the people who die from it tend to be old (consistent with what is said about how the virus act). But it’s not only 2 patients who died from it. They mention 2 patients UNDER 40 who died from it, not 2 patient altogether, and maintain that the mortality rate is 5,8 %.
That is not to say that there is not plenty of fishy aspect in this crisis. But rather, than Agenzia Nova has totally twisted the news/report from the institute of health, and is not reporting it accurately. The news was 2 patients under 40 died from it, not 2 patients altogether died from it. Your point is still valid about old people with multiple pathology dying from it. Here is the link to the institute press release:
CS N° 21/2020 Coronavirus, letalità fino a questo momento è del 5,8%, più alta negli uomini
https://tinyurl.com/wd528ld
https://preview.tinyurl.com/wd528ld
Interesting, Laurent. The main question is surely this:
Are the vast majority of deaths the old and comorbidly ill, or are there significant numbers of young people dying of the virus?
If the latter is the case, what percentage of these younger people are immunocompromised – few of them, or nearly all of them?
If lots of young healthy people are definitely dying from CoV, then the virus is more potent than we thought.
However, if almost all the deaths fall into the following two groups (1) 80+ year-olds with multiple comorbidities and (2) younger people with significant immune suppression –
– then what we have is a virus which is only a significant danger to the selfsame groups who are at risk from annual flu – or even from a cold. And at the moment, worldwide deaths are a fraction of those expected over the same timeframe from annual flu.
Yes the severity doesn’t seem much, but the real impact is economic and was probably designed this way.
By highlighting the initial report here and how Agenzia Nova twisted it, I must say that I’m also disappointed that someone as John with his experience in investigative journalism didn’t go search for the initial report and just relay the info from one random agency (which was inaccurate). As John draw his own conclusions from that info, I would expect a bit more rigor in the methodology for those conclusions to be valid. He still makes ton of valid points and seem to see through most of this, but on that case it was a bit…lacking in research.